On April 22, I began staking PSUStudent for $12 180s. I sent him $1,200 and the deal was 50/50 with makeup. I allowed him to keep some of his own money on the account as well since he was selling action in Marketplace to Mini FTOPS & SCOOP events.

Yesterday, I requested that we end the deal. He had profited $36 on the deal, so he owed me $1,218. I will let this AIM conversation speak for itself.

CLIFF NOTES: Do not stake PSUStudent (AIM name PSUKush). He will run off with your money. So far he has only repaid $376 of the $1,218 he owes me. Don't buy his story about "miscalculating" his balances -- he went to small stakes cash tables on May 16 and blew a lot of my money.

10:18:55 PM PSUStudent: hey got your pm, sorry to hear you lost some money during scoop
10:19:08 PM TT_Fold: heh
10:19:32 PM TT_Fold: were the #s from sharkscope right?
10:20:28 PM PSUStudent: yea think so lemme check, i woke up a couple hours ago, was sick of bein on a schedule during scoop/mftops had to catchup on some sleep
10:23:53 PM PSUStudent: yea $1218 seems right, i ran some packages on 2p2, cashed a bunch w couple deep runs but broke even in most and i was 1-3 tabling 2 weeks for that
10:28:57 PM PSUStudent: i shipped those investors money yestday so my weekly transfer limits have been met for the week, sent them an email to increase limits hopefully they will do it or else id have to ship u 1st thing monday morning, promise not rolling obv.
10:29:34 PM TT_Fold: okay...
10:29:45 PM TT_Fold: you wouldnt mind sending a screenshot of your stars account to show that you have $1200 in there then?
10:29:58 PM PSUStudent: yea np
10:30:03 PM TT_Fold: thx
10:30:11 PM PSUStudent: np
10:38:40 PM TT_Fold: did u send?
10:40:03 PM PSUStudent: nah on a few tables, tryin to upload it to photobucket, its cool if i edit out mailing address area right?
10:40:25 PM TT_Fold: sure
10:40:36 PM TT_Fold: you can probably attach it directly through your email
10:41:17 PM PSUStudent: thc ive always been a bit pvt about personal info. and prefer not to show it if dont need to
10:47:00 PM TT_Fold: you need to send this screenshot right away
10:47:11 PM TT_Fold: i see some suspciously played hand on PTR from may 16
10:47:15 PM PSUStudent: yea workin on it u out?
10:47:21 PM TT_Fold: *hands
10:47:31 PM PSUStudent: may 16th?
10:47:34 PM TT_Fold: and i can see that you are not playing anything on stars right now
10:47:42 PM TT_Fold: send the screenshot in the next 10 minutes
10:47:43 PM PSUStudent: didnt play a hand at all today sit
10:47:50 PM PSUStudent: sir
10:48:07 PM TT_Fold: http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...ons/psustudent
10:48:14 PM TT_Fold: today is may 18, i am talking about may 16
10:48:25 PM TT_Fold: you need to send this screenshot right away
10:48:31 PM PSUStudent: not on stars, on ftp
10:50:45 PM PSUStudent: your money is safe w me sir gimme a few completing a stake, promise im not rolling you, my cashplay on ptr was me jus killin time i suck at cash obv
10:51:30 PM TT_Fold: Look, you need to send this screenshot right away, there is no reason for you to be evasive unless you are up to no good
10:51:36 PM TT_Fold: It takes 2 minutes to do
10:52:01 PM PSUStudent: in fac i can even ship 200 right now i think thats left of my limits for today
10:52:15 PM TT_Fold: That's not what I'm asking for!
10:52:17 PM PSUStudent: promise not rolling please calm down gime a few
10:52:19 PM TT_Fold: You need to provide a screenshot
10:52:34 PM PSUStudent: ok jus sayin youll get money back i feel awkward
10:52:44 PM TT_Fold: Less talk... more screenshot
10:52:57 PM PSUStudent: lol ok 1 sec
10:55:51 PM TT_Fold: 2+2er Bedz aka "Bodeye" just PMed me 15-20 mins ago about being a reference for you
10:56:04 PM TT_Fold: Tell you what... we can skip the screenshot... just sit at any cash table with $1200+
10:56:16 PM TT_Fold: Open a 30/60 Stud table or something, will take 5 seconds
10:56:22 PM TT_Fold: and I can vouch for you with him
10:56:36 PM PSUStudent: ok 1 sec yea approached turtle for a stake
10:56:48 PM TT_Fold: Ok, sit at Pasiphae III (fast)... 30/60 Stud Hi table
10:56:50 PM TT_Fold: will take 30 seconds
10:58:56 PM TT_Fold: ???
10:59:30 PM PSUStudent: thx it comes across weird but gimme a moment if u can please
11:00:04 PM TT_Fold: I can see that you're not playing any SNGs anymore on krgs on FTP
11:00:09 PM TT_Fold: This will take no time at all
11:00:19 PM TT_Fold: I'm PMing Bodeye if you don't prove that you have the funds by 11:10 pm
11:03:44 PM PSUStudent: its fine my system froze tryin to loginto stars i feel terrible we are havin this issue, i never did anything wrong to u, i ask u to trust me for a min
11:04:15 PM TT_Fold: You have 7 minutes...
11:04:55 PM TT_Fold: If you made a mistake and did something dumb with the money, fine, we will work out a payment plan... you need to come clean NOW though
11:09:52 PM TT_Fold: Alright, I have no choice but to PM this conversation to Bodeye
11:10:06 PM TT_Fold: Send over what you can on Stars right now to RonaldKosh (Milford)
11:12:25 PM PSUStudent: ok fine i did make a mistake this is all ******ed i hate to lie, i sold action on 2p2 and made a mistake in calculations and thought i had more than i thought i had so after shipping everything back i was left w 220 on both sites, i didnt want to roll them or you but i had to ship everything back to them first
11:12:58 PM TT_Fold: Alright, the first thing you need to do is send me whatever you can on each site
11:13:23 PM PSUStudent: didnt expect youd end stake today. i had never sold action before so i thought i didnt need to buy my own action but i had to end up doin that
11:13:38 PM TT_Fold: You can't be dipping into my funds though, regardless
11:13:52 PM TT_Fold: Even if the stake were continuing beyond today
11:13:57 PM TT_Fold: You know that.
11:14:14 PM TT_Fold: In any event, there's no reason for the 10 minute pauses between everything you say
11:14:18 PM PSUStudent: yea i feel so stpid doin that cus hate doin that, jus so bad for my reptation but its reality

BTW, I hope this thread is appropriate. PSUStudent just contacted several other backers for stakes yesterday, so I want to make sure that everyone sees it.

thanks for posting this.


he actually contacted me last night for a stake. i had staked him in the past and it went fine (prolly should look at my records now to make sure). we ended up not coming to a deal.

I admit I made a mistake in mishandling TT's funds. He shipped me 1200 and I was playing 12/180s solely for him. My mistake was I sold action for scoop/mftops and did not realise I'd have to end up buying about $1500 worth of my own action, so had to end up using TT's money to play those packages.

Anyway, I would like to disagree that I will run off with anyone's money or scam anyone. I have no intention of stealing anyone's money. I ended up being in a bad situation but it wasn't premeditated to steal money from people.

Also, I went on the cash tables to earn vpps so I could clear the 285 bonus, it wasnt to blow anyone's roll but only to clear vpps. Again, I admit I made a huge mistake by ending up in that spot.

I just want to say I never had any intention of approaching for a stake with stealing money in mind. After I confessed, I was on aim talking all the time, never logged off or not answered a question. Just trying to say, I am not interested in getting anyone's money and running off with it.

I will pay everything back to TT. I am stupid but not that dumb that I would actively or intentionally try to scam one of the most respected members of the community. I want to apologize to TT for all of this, he didn't deserve any of it obv, and hopefully he'll be able to forgive me some day.

I've learnt from my mistake and there is a price I will have to pay. I hope 2p2 community will be able to forgive me. I will post when I've paid rest of TT's money back.

why did you contact me about a stake, after you had scammed TT_Fold.


you would think this is something you would tell a new backer if you are as honest as you say you are.

Anyway feel its ok to post rest of the convo. if it gives any perspective of how I went about it, for those who wish to read. Again, I apologize to TT but I hope he will forgive me someday.


edit: I am about to post rest of convo. or TT can post it w/ sns and emails edited out, hopefully it gives ppl a clear idea of my response (if they care to read entire convo.)

do you have any references on here who can vouch for you at all?

Is this moron serious? Making my email address and AIM public?

Yes for goodness sake edit out his details. Sounds like you've just been irresponsible and stupid. I think if he was to scam someone there would have to be some intent which there doesn't seem to be, he's just an idiot.

Do everything to pay back TT and do everything to make sure it doesn't happen again is my advice - that is if you will be able to get staked again!

unbelievable ... its not like you edited that out for some reason right ... Ive reported his post, dunno if you contacted anyone allready or not ..

lol tho
http://www.pokertableratings.com/han...856/7056698366

Again, only reason I'm posting rest of the post is it gives people an entire idea of what happened, how I responded etc. And sorry again to TT for momentarily posting the email/sns, its been a tough time and I'm not thinking clearly.

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PSU (8:13:55 PM): yea i feel so stpid doin that cus hate doin that, jus so bad for my reptation but its reality
TT_fold(8:14:02 PM): Send over whatever you can right now to RonaldKosh on Stars or RealFaithTV on FTP
PSUStudent(8:14:38 PM): ok 1 sec i have like 200 left on stars and 20 on ftp and 200 comin on monday from my investments
PSUStudent(8:14:50 PM): and id request i run a 45man stake and pay you off asap
TT_fold(8:14:57 PM): No, that is not happening
TT_fold(8:15:02 PM): You are sending over what you have now
PSUStudent(8:15:04 PM): ok cool
TT_fold(8:15:04 PM): And then we can talk
PSUStudent(8:15:08 PM): yup 1 sec
PSUStudent(8:15:43 PM): sent 210.96 on stars, my balance there is 0
TT_fold(8:15:49 PM): Ok
TT_fold(8:16:27 PM): Do you have any FPPs or unclaimed Stellar Rewards bonuses?
TT_fold(8:16:40 PM): We can easily milk some cash from those
TT_fold(8:17:22 PM): If you aren't aware... you can go into the VIP Store and claim Stellar Rewards based on the # of VPPs you've earned this year
PSUStudent(8:17:24 PM): i dont i have 86 fpps left and like 50 bonus that i bought couple days ago that i need to clear
TT_fold(8:17:46 PM): the Stellar Rewards don't require you to do anything to clear them
TT_fold(8:17:49 PM): it's cash in your account
PSUStudent(8:17:59 PM): yea i had 1 left and i bought it this is all included after that
TT_fold(8:18:25 PM): Okay... what about FTP
TT_fold(8:18:26 PM): any $?
TT_fold(8:18:36 PM): Ok just got the $20.02
TT_fold(8:18:40 PM): FTP pts?
PSUStudent(8:19:15 PM): yea got like 4800 ftp pts
PSUStudent(8:19:25 PM): never play there dont kno wat to do w it
PSUStudent(8:19:48 PM): not aware how those can be translated into cash or if i can transfer u those
TT_fold(8:20:12 PM): they arent worth much, for instance 5800 pts gets you a $26 tournament ticket
TT_fold(8:20:22 PM): forget those for now
PSUStudent(8:20:28 PM): ok
TT_fold(8:21:14 PM): Right now I've received $231 of the $1218 you owe, so I'll need another $987
PSUStudent(8:21:22 PM): dude this is so ridic. like im always so careful about my br and reputation so sad i find myself in this spot
PSUStudent(8:22:03 PM): yea my uncle is traveling too or id have him ship me money and id ship you that asap
PSUStudent(8:22:18 PM): think hes comin back next week hopefully
TT_fold(8:22:24 PM): Do you have a PayPal account? You can pay me via PayPal
PSUStudent(8:22:39 PM): but def geTT_foldin 200 back from investments
PSUStudent(8:22:50 PM): on monday i think
PSUStudent(8:22:57 PM): i do have a paypal account
PSUStudent(8:23:00 PM): but
TT_fold(8:23:02 PM): Ok, send what you can right now
TT_fold(8:23:56 PM): My email address for PayPal is (email)
TT_fold(8:24:22 PM): I am not going to ruin your reputation if you pay me back in a timely manner
PSUStudent(8:24:28 PM): dont have cash i can send cus of living/food expenses, i think i can send you like 400 tomm. but not entirely sure
TT_fold(8:24:56 PM): Why would you have to wait until tomorrow instead of now?
PSUStudent(8:24:58 PM): thx man appreciate it my intention wasnt to run w your money, its unfortunate this happened like this
PSUStudent(8:26:07 PM): cus i might get 300 in my account tomm. and can deposit 100 at branch, then transfer into paypal, i cant do it rite now cus i dont have that in my bank account and i dont use paypal, i have 0 ther
TT_fold(8:26:48 PM): That isnt how PayPal works... you don't have to deposit, you can send an "echeck" or pay via credit card instantly
TT_fold(8:27:21 PM): There's no need to deposit there first, you just send directly to the recipient
PSUStudent(8:28:01 PM): but i dont have funds in my bank account, meant will be geTT_folding 400 in bank account tomm. hopefully
TT_fold(8:28:14 PM): You are older than me, surely you have a credit card
PSUStudent(8:29:21 PM): i cant charge it to credit card i am goin to do it thru debit card tomm.
PSUStudent(8:29:55 PM): but honestly
PSUStudent(8:30:24 PM): im jus gonna withdraw frm bank account and deposit on stars using western union and transfer on stars
PSUStudent(8:30:28 PM): if thats cool
PSUStudent(8:30:56 PM): im not familiar w paypal i dont do business there a lot except to buy some training site subscription
TT_fold(8:31:16 PM): You need to make a partial payment now
TT_fold(8:31:24 PM): I am not taking any bull**** excuses
TT_fold(8:31:41 PM): I know you have credit cards, please make a partial payment right now
PSUStudent(8:31:42 PM): these are no bs excuses its 100% truth
TT_fold(8:31:52 PM): You werent upfront with me earlier!
TT_fold(8:33:09 PM): There is no reason to use Western Union to deposit on Stars when you could just use Western Union to send to me...
PSUStudent(8:33:18 PM): i realise but after i told you what happ. i havent lied, its basically i cannot pay you anything id have to go to bank in the morning, youll have to trust me on this, i realise its hard but i swear i have no point in lying
PSUStudent(8:33:35 PM): ok if you prefer me sending you i can do that
PSUStudent(8:33:54 PM): i jus thought you dont have to go pick it up
TT_fold(8:33:54 PM): Send $300 now via PayPal
TT_fold(8:34:07 PM): You will be able to do it instantly
PSUStudent(8:34:09 PM): i cant i dont have the money
TT_fold(8:34:11 PM): No excuses
TT_fold(8:34:13 PM): Credit cards..
PSUStudent(8:35:59 PM): i cant use credit cards if i could, id just send you entire balance, i mean youve to understand its 100% truth, you'll have to wait like 13 hours, or i could get a stake till then (by you or some1 else) and grind 45mans all night and watever my profit is ill ship you too obv.
TT_fold(8:36:01 PM): Do you have any money on other poker sites? I play on every site...
TT_fold(8:36:15 PM): I'm not leTT_folding you get another stake when you already scammed me
PSUStudent(8:36:18 PM): i have like 225 on ub but thats for headsup stakee
TT_fold(8:36:35 PM): What is the name of your backer on UB so that I can inform him of this situation?
PSUStudent(8:37:25 PM): didnt mean it as a scam hopefully you'll believe me, i think scam is just taking money and running, my situation happ diff. but its alrite if you think of me as a scammer
PSUStudent(8:37:32 PM): not on 2p2
TT_fold(8:37:40 PM): Which site, then?
PSUStudent(8:37:49 PM): his sn is (...)
TT_fold(8:37:58 PM): Is it through PTP?
PSUStudent(8:38:12 PM): just know him thru poker i can give you his aim sn if you wish to inform him
TT_fold(8:38:26 PM): Are you up or down $ on that stake right now?
PSUStudent(8:38:27 PM): no im not a member at ptp
PSUStudent(8:38:55 PM): we started w 250 for hu and ive just played 1 game so far $11 buyin that i lost
TT_fold(8:39:52 PM): To be honest, I have no reason to be lenient with you... Part of me wants to just out you as a scammer right now and ruin any chance you have of geTT_folding a stake in poker ever again
TT_fold(8:40:30 PM): You may have rationalized what you did as something else, but you stole the money, plain and simple
PSUStudent(8:41:50 PM): its your wish ill plead w you that you don't, this was a mistake that happ. but im a simple guy, i never had any intentions of taking your money, i just love poker and wanted to move up in stakes. unfortunately, this situation arose but you will get 100% of your money plus you can charge me more or watev if you feel its an inconvenience, im truly a nice guy, never meant any ill towards you or any1
TT_fold(8:42:47 PM): Here's what I find the most laughable... that you would still PM Mi_Turtle asking for a new backer KNOWING you had stole my money
TT_fold(8:42:48 PM): How dumb are you?
TT_fold(8:43:02 PM): Did you think that I wouldnt find out?
PSUStudent(8:43:05 PM): im jus saying i wouldnt like to be compared to those other guys who dont like poker or dont tak it seriously, i do take it very seriously.
TT_fold(8:44:07 PM): Send me some money via credit card right now
PSUStudent(8:44:10 PM): my honest plan was to make money thru poker and pay it back to you, i never underestimated the possibility of you not finding out but it was all i cold do to get back on tables to pay your money asap
PSUStudent(8:45:37 PM): its physically impossible to do it right now, there's no money to send right now, youll have to believe me on that, i realise its not easy considering what i said earlier
TT_fold(8:45:40 PM): You make me sick you ****ing moron
TT_fold(8:45:55 PM): You had a great player helping you at 180 mans
TT_fold(8:46:01 PM): You could have made 10x what you stole in no time
PSUStudent(8:47:07 PM): i know im sick myself i swear i didnt steal from you, i never ever ever had intention of stealing from you or any1, im just sick that i lose respect from you over this.
PSUStudent(8:47:32 PM): and our relationship soured over this
PSUStudent(8:47:49 PM): i just ended up in a ****T_foldy spot and i have to own upto it
TT_fold(8:48:24 PM): Send me a screenshot that shows your Stars balance/FPPs so I know you're not holding out on me
PSUStudent(8:48:30 PM): ok 1 sec
TT_fold(8:48:45 PM): Let's see if you can actually do it in a timely manner instead of feeding me bull**** for an hour
PSUStudent(8:49:42 PM): i swear every single word i said after i confessed is 100% truth, not feeding you bs man, i respect you way too much
TT_fold(8:49:53 PM): Alright, then send the screenshot
PSUStudent(8:50:07 PM): yes, gimme a sec.
PSUStudent(8:54:52 PM): hTT_foldp://s723.photobucket.com/albums/ww238/psustudent_bucket/?action=view&current=starsbalance0.jpg
PSUStudent(8:56:07 PM): if i wanted to scam any1 i couldve also taken the money from my scoop/mftops package and not returned it
TT_fold(8:56:19 PM): I DON'T GIVE A **** WHAT YOU COULD OR COULDN'T HAVE DONE
PSUStudent(8:56:24 PM): i played every single tourney i sold action for and returned them the money
PSUStudent(8:57:43 PM): i understand im just saying i hope you dont see me as tryin to scam you as much as just making a wrong decision of selling action when i shouldnt have and in the process ended up havin to risk 1k of your money
PSUStudent(8:59:02 PM): i understand youre mad at me, but things happen in the poker world man, hopefully you'll be able to forgive me
PSUStudent(8:59:17 PM): like last time we ended, i shipped money rightaway
PSUStudent(8:59:45 PM): you have every reason to be upset at me but hopefully you'll give me a chance
TT_fold(8:59:59 PM): Why should I give you anything?
TT_fold(9:00:29 PM): Alright, you claim that you are going to the bank tomorrow
TT_fold(9:00:40 PM): Have $300 in my PayPal account by noon tomorrow
TT_fold(9:01:07 PM): Otherwise, a post will go up on 2+2 right away warning people that you are a scammer
TT_fold(9:01:17 PM): Any problem with that?
PSUStudent(9:01:18 PM): youre right you dont have to at all, but i truly and a focused poker player and am not like some random trolls. i truly think you should give me a chance so you'll see this was just an unfortunate incident and not me trying to scam you
PSUStudent(9:01:28 PM): no that seems fair
TT_fold(9:01:40 PM): No excuses whatsoever
TT_fold(9:02:00 PM): If you don't send $300 to (email) (write it down) by noon tomorrow the post goes up
PSUStudent(9:02:07 PM): yup is it cool if i ship on stars or WU directly rather than paypal
TT_fold(9:02:17 PM): Don't bother contacting me otherwise, I don't care what the excuse is
TT_fold(9:02:26 PM): How much can you send on WU tomorrow?
PSUStudent(9:02:43 PM): btw gimme like till 1-130pm my time or you meant noon my time (pst)
PSUStudent(9:03:14 PM): i think 350 cus i think there's a WU fee of like $40 for transfers
PSUStudent(9:03:39 PM): ok my bad
PSUStudent(9:03:52 PM): gimme like 11 am my time cus bank open at 9am
TT_fold(9:04:06 PM): Fine, 11 AM PST/2 PM EST
TT_fold(9:04:17 PM): you can send Western Union to (name, location)
PSUStudent(9:04:35 PM): thx man i truly appreciate and sincerely apologize for any pain this may have caused you.
TT_fold(9:04:52 PM): It didn't cause me any pain, LOL
TT_fold(9:04:58 PM): I'm rich and I don't need the thousand bucks
TT_fold(9:05:04 PM): I just feel bad that you are such a ****ing ******
PSUStudent(9:06:33 PM): i agree i shouldve never sold scoop action, i just didnt understand the process and ended up having to play mTT_folds w money i didnt have
PSUStudent(9:07:12 PM): i truly thank you for not posting on 2p2, you easily couldve but thanks for giving me a chance
TT_fold(9:08:00 PM): Trust me, I plan to post at 2 PM if I haven't received the $%
TT_fold(9:08:38 PM): Like I said, I have plenty of money and I'd rather out you as the scum that you are, even if it ruins my chances of geTT_folding paid back
TT_fold(9:08:44 PM): I'm not leTT_folding you screw anyone else over
TT_fold(9:08:46 PM): So 2 pm
PSUStudent(9:08:48 PM): yes i mean right now. may i ask how would you like me to pay the remainder cus this is the last irl money and after shipping you like 350 tomm. and 200 on monday,
TT_fold(9:09:52 PM): We'll figure that out once you pay the first $300-$350 tomorrow
PSUStudent(9:10:39 PM): ok sincerely appreciate it and givin me a chance man i mean idk wat i can till then
PSUStudent(9:11:37 PM): i meant idk wat i can do till then and now. anything youd want me to do.
TT_fold(9:12:02 PM): Actions speak louder than words... send that first payment and then we can talk
TT_fold(9:12:13 PM): Can't talk now...
PSUStudent(9:12:33 PM): ok ty sir. you will have it, rest assured, truly thx. TT_foldys.
PSUStudent(9:14:21 PM): btw would you prefer me not geTT_folding a stake from a personal friend till then and not playing at all or is it fine if i grind 45s till them
TT_fold(9:14:45 PM): Do whatever you need to do, just stop talking to me right now
TT_fold(9:14:50 PM): I don't want to hear from you til I've received more $
PSUStudent(9:14:51 PM): ok
PSUStudent(9:14:57 PM): thx
Wednesday, May 19, 2010
PSUStudent(8:43:12 AM): hey lemme know when youre on, thx
PSUStudent(8:52:07 AM): sent $145 to your stars that i deposited thru wu this morning. i realise we had talked about 350 but i wasnt entirely sure id get that amount so shipped watever i had which amounted to $145.
PSUStudent(8:53:13 AM): hopefully you'll allow me sometime to pay you back, literally i have no interest to make profit right now obv. my #1 goal is to pay you off.
PSUStudent(8:54:47 AM): i realise its gross that any investor would have to wait for their money. they're obv. entitled to it whenever they want it but unfortunately i ended up in this spot and nothin else i can do right now and i see how terrible that is but hopefully you can forgive me
PSUStudent(8:57:00 AM): i also realise how this comes across as some sort of scam but all i can say is it wasnt premeditated at all, i genuinely wanted to just improve and play poker. i do want to distinguish myself from people who would seek stakes w/ sole intention of stealing money and in my case, money is not what im interested in as much as improving my game and forming relationships etc
PSUStudent(8:58:43 AM): it still is a big mistake but when i sold 3 packages, i had to end up buying $1500 of myself which I didnt have funds for. i was foolish to think it will sort itself out which even if it did, would not have been the right thing.
PSUStudent(9:02:47 AM): its upto you if youd want to post on 2p2, i hope you dont but if you do, i would completely understand it. one thing's for sure, i will guarantee you will get your money whether or not you post it there. only reason i hope you dont is ppl will misunderstand a lot of it unless they really read everything and it will create obv. problems for me. if you think its right thing to do i'll respect it but i hope you dont and give me a chance
PSUStudent(9:20:08 AM): i just propose that i run a 45man stake for you. im highly +ev in them and will keep shipping profit. i can even commit my 45man action to you for however long you want or ship you $100/month for a year for the inconvenience this has caused idk im just throwing random things id do so prove to you im genuinely not a scammer type of guy. i see it sounds stupid in a sense id ask you to stake me when i jeopardized your funds, but i feel that is the best way to pay you off quickly and a chance for me to prove myself to you. ive been scammed by ppl before for 100s of $ in poker, ppl who never sent me transfers back but im just not that type of guy and hopefully you'll give me a chance to prove it to you. you're perfectly entitled to not give it to me obv. but i sincerely think and hope you do. thx man, i'll be on, hope to hear from you.
TT_foldsigned on at 10:22:52 AM
TT_fold(10:30:10 AM): got $145 on Stars, are you sending more today?
PSUStudent(10:31:48 AM): no, thats all i had for irl money. i have 200 coming from an investment scoop but his limits have been reached. as soon as i get that, ill ship entire amount to you.
PSUStudent(10:32:09 AM): from scoop*
TT_fold(10:33:08 AM): i told you to send 300 by today and you did not
TT_fold(10:33:13 AM): going to have to post about this/PM Bodeye
PSUStudent(10:36:38 AM): yea i just wasnt sure if id have that today or not, i said yestday i wasnt sure if ill get entire 300 today. if i did id send it to you but i dont. i feel its fine if you inform bodeye but would hope you dont post on 2p2 cus its really goin to end up causing misunderstandings. can we not work out a payment plan and ill pay you asap cmon man, gimme a chance once
TT_fold(10:37:17 AM): No, I want your reputation ruined
TT_fold(10:37:23 AM): You are a scumbag
PSUStudent(10:38:25 AM): cmon man why do you want my reputation ruined, i made a mistake, it happens, im not interested in geTT_folding any1s money. i never withdrew anything for irl stuff. never meant to steal any1s money
TT_fold(10:38:52 AM): If you don't have any money with which to pay me then I see no reason to wait!
PSUStudent(10:41:14 AM): you'll get all your money i just hope you could work it out w me instead of making it public. situations like these happen and i had hoped there would be some way for me to prove to you im not out to scam any1 out of their money
TT_fold(10:41:33 AM): You owe $842, how long do you need to pay it back?
TT_fold(10:43:59 AM): Hello?
TT_fold(10:44:02 AM): Stop wasting my time and reply
TT_fold(10:44:07 AM): I can't stand these pauses
PSUStudent(10:44:08 AM): i was told the 200 would come on monday and ill seek a 45man stake and grind those out. even at $100/day youd hopefully get everything within a week. i 100% learnt my lesson, id never play any other game on some1 else's money. also its unfortunate my uncle who helps me out is traveling or id have told him to ship me the diff. but hopefully he's planning to be back next week
PSUStudent(10:44:51 AM): sorry was typing, i need to turn on that seTT_folding that shows some1s typing a msg.
TT_fold(10:45:55 AM): So the only way you are repaying this money is by geTT_folding a stake from someone else?
TT_fold(10:46:03 AM): If so, I'm just going to out you on 2+2 right now
TT_fold(10:46:08 AM): Not leTT_folding you scam someone else
PSUStudent(10:47:44 AM): im not gonna scam anybody, never intended to scam you. but yes, youre 200 will be shipped on monday hopefully, remainder will be thru poker money until my uncle is back so i can just send you irl money
PSUStudent(10:49:01 AM): i really wished you wouldnt man it is my mistake i understand it but its such a huge problem when posted there, esp. considering your reputation. why do you not want to give me a chance, i wish you believed me.
TT_fold(10:49:23 AM): If you didn't lie to me, we wouldn't have this problem
TT_fold(10:49:29 AM): You went to cash tables and blew a bunch of my money
TT_fold(10:49:30 AM): Why?
PSUStudent(10:50:48 AM): i was short at that point and had to by the 285 from the vip store and had to earn the vpps for the bonus to release and quickest way for me to earn those was to go on cash tables
PSUStudent(10:52:41 AM): it wasnt cus i was tilting or tried to make money there, it was just to earn points to get the bonus released, i wouldnt have if i didnt need to. it was a mess but clearly it backfired cus i lost there anyway
PSUStudent(10:54:16 AM): i lied to you initially cus it was just a natural instince to have to avoid it but then i immediately came clean and shipped you everything and responded to you on aim, not logged off or anything. just sayin my intention is not takin any1s money
PSUStudent(10:55:37 AM): whats the main reason you feel entire 2p2 should know about this? do you feel i was trying to steal money from you?
TT_fold(10:55:49 AM): Um, you stole my money?
PSUStudent(10:57:15 AM): i lost your money yes but i paid some of it back and will everything else soon. dont you feel it should get a liTT_foldle less harsher punishment than someone you actually was trying to steal money w/ no intention of paying it back
TT_fold(10:57:38 AM): Give me a timeframe for the repayment of the entire debt
PSUStudent(11:00:08 AM): 200 by monday and assuming i find a pvt stake and do decent at 45s and hoping my uncle is back next week, within a week but basically asap ill send you screenshots of my cashier whenever you want, ill never withdraw anything for myself and you can track my results. all profit will go to you
PSUStudent(11:02:23 AM): really man give me a chance to prove i had no intention of losing your money. im stupid to get in this spot but not that dumb to try to scam one of the most respected members of the community. you can check my posts etc. i never troll or get involved in anything. im really focused on poker and geTT_folding a few $100 of any1s money is of no importance to me.
PSUStudent(11:07:53 AM): i feel if you give me a chance and if there is any problem w my work ethic pls ill be the 1st one to say , post on 2p2 but i wish i could show you that i can do business smoothly. only reason this situation arose was cus of the mTT_fold series and i absolutely learnt it was stupid to sell action for scoop/mftops
TT_fold(11:08:51 AM): hTT_foldp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-selling-shares/
TT_fold(11:09:00 AM): Just bumped 3 of your threads to post that you are a scammer
PSUStudent(11:09:12 AM): ouch
PSUStudent(11:09:38 AM): sorry you felt it had to be done
PSUStudent(11:09:59 AM): i will have to face the consequences of my mistake
PSUStudent(11:10:57 AM): really really wished you hadnt but i understand. whats your reasoning for making it public knowledge and not sorting it out in pvt
PSUStudent(11:11:00 AM): ?
TT_fold(11:11:14 AM): I don't have to explain myself
TT_fold(11:11:16 AM): I am not the scammer
TT_fold(11:11:31 AM): If you want to arrange repayment and restore your reputation, contact me through 2+2
TT_fold(11:11:33 AM): Do not IM me
PSUStudent(11:11:41 AM): ok fair enough
TT_fold(11:11:42 AM): hTT_foldp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/135/staking/psustudent-scammer-787695/#post19017802

you know them VPPs aint free ya'll

Hahaha. This hand might be the most damaging thing he's done to his reputation, all scamming aside.

i wasnt sure if TT would make it public when I approached you and so I didn't know what to tell you or how much. Anyway sorry to you as well.

no I don't. This was one of my first stakes and was hoping to do it right but I ****ed it up as usual.

Yes I will pay everything back asap and hopefully run some small stakes, form some relationships and eventually earn trust and respect. Thanks for your advice.

Prolly my worst poker session at the worst possible time, I wasnt thinking straight 12+ tabling 6max as a cash game noob and was getting pwned/playing really bad, it was gross.

Anyway, prolly wont be responding much here, will try to focus and putting money together to pay him off asap.

Don't know either one of you but TT c'mon dude.... Besides posting to let other backers know to not deal with him everything else makes you both look very childish. The AIM convo's were lol. A big LOL at "I'm rich and don't need the thousand bux."

Don't get me wrong what he did was really crappy but... The kid sent you money immediately and promised more any day now. You give him ten minutes to come up with all the money after he obvioulsy made a very dumb mistake.

Seems to me like you are all pumped up for the drama. GL with that dude.

Flame away...

He's 25 years old.

I admit I wasn't very nice to him, but why should I have been?

PSU has made a massive mistake and bad error/judgement but pretty sure he's going to sort this out. Not vouching for him never talked to him ever just this doesn't seem like a scam, just a dude that has ****ed up completely and is going to try and get back on the right train as soon as possible.

GL to both of you.

haha 12+ tabling 6max cash game and bluffing a 3-bet pot on a K high flop with 6 high...

This sucks.

I believe you probably signed a contract or agreed to TT's terms and probably included the Limits/ levels/ games you should only be playing. And also taking someone else's money to invest in MTT shares is pretty bad... unless you have the money yourself to pay them back right away and your basically just using your "own" money.

But I hope TT gets his money back. Goodluck

Man, I mean you guys can say all you want about how he made a mistake and didn't mean any harm by it and will likely pay TT_fold back as soon as possible, but the facts are the facts. He took a 12$ 180 man stake from someone who would front him 100 buy ins, and then used that to freeroll action in SCOOPs and mFTOPS. To think that this was just an "honest mistake" is kind of hard to believe. I believe it was totally premeditated, and he just thought he'd either profit overall in the SCOOPs and mFTOPS and be square or have enough time after the fact to get more money online to get square.

You guys realize the people who steal money when they are bust are just as wrong as the people who steal money when they are flush, right? I think some people equate trusting him to pay off investors if he won money with overall trustworthiness. They aren't one in the same.

lol indeed.

+1 imo.

Sure be all apologetic and **** now, and say you miscalculated (wtf?)... but what if you'd won one of those scoop events on TT_Folds money?

You could easily have planned the whole thing. If I win yay I'm rich, if I don't win I just feed some BS and say I miscalculated (WTF??).

Tbh if you are playing poker and winning (which you are) then you've got to have half a brain and be somewhat good at math. I don't even see how it's possible that you miscalculated (WTF?!?) something like this.

kid has ****ed ppl over in the past, paid back tho, was a much smaller stake.

I have recently spoke to some plo8 cash/mtt regs who both say that he begged them for money yesterday and didn't say why. (and 2 other ppl )

I've "known" him for awhile, i dont think he is a bad guy, just careless/stupid.

LOL you tried to scam me yesterday by asking for 1050$ for the reason you made a "bet" with a friend.. and u would send 1100$ back... you even suck at scamming people. You arent sorry at all you will probally still try to scam people like you tried on me