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Originally Posted by 8ball1
Hi guys, bit of a long post but worth the read as its interesting , i dont know enough about the legalities of the matter as im a beginner, hope you guys can help me .tyty
Just asking for some info / thoughts on this matter as a buddy of mine is having a pretty hard time because of it , any help apreciated.
Im going to refer to my freind as Horse, for ease.
So, Horse has a backer, after making them a fair bit of money falls on a ruff run, horse sorts a deal with his backer whereby he gets paid a % of his winnings whilst he's in mu, in return horse moves down a fair bit lower than he usually plays, all seems fair there to me.
Horse then wins some $$ over 2-3 months so he's due a pay day ect, he asks for it as needs $ to pay his bills after not being paid for a while, backers dont feel they should honour the agreement, and claim he breached contract ect co-icidently just after horse asking for the agreed $...seems to me backers have planned to freeroll horse all along to get him near to being square, then probs boot him, seems pretty low trick, but hey ho, it happens....anyway
Backers are trying to take $ back from horses account to obv gain levarage in dispute / not pay horse, so horse tells them no funds are to be moved, untill dispute is settled, funds are safe , horse isnt obv going to screw backerss.
This is where the real problem starts.....
So horse worried he's gonna get screwed for the money he's owed, phone's the operator's customer service dept / security and tells them he's worried an unaurthorized attempt is going to be made to access funds in his account, changes passwords / puts safe word on account ect, security assures horse that no one can move funds and that persons trying to acess funds / take funds from a players account without permission is iilegal.
Horse relays same info to backer, and ask to negotiate payment of what he's owed.
Backer then tells his rb affiliate that horse has ok'd a transfere for the balance of the account, the affilaite submits the request, the operator pays it.
Horse logs in , funds are gone, phones Operator asking where funds are (calls are recorded at this point) Operator saying horse has lost the funds that night, gives times , dates, ip adresses, quotes h/h's , yet horse hasnt been online that evening ....horse asks to speak to manager, is told same thing, horse is sayingif someone's played poker and lost the funds, the accounts been hacked , its fraud , please do something / freeze the funds if theyve been lost to someone ect.... operator refuses to act / blaming horse for losing the money....horse ends up speaking to 4 different employees all reading the same script.
Anyway a few days later, horse gets an email off backer telling him he took funds, and horse ends up having to agree to backers terms and walk away from the stake without monies owed to him, or risk asking for them and going to the boards are being forced to pay mu if doesnt go in horses favour, i think it probs would of pretty easy, but horse is just cant take much more of the bs , and agreed, rather than carry on in turmoil.
Operator says horse had agreement with affilaite / gave permission to access his funds, and that the fabrication over where funds had gone to was down to poor operator training, but makes affiliate reverse the funds taken from horse and puts monies in horses account, and offers horse $300 to go away.....horse isnt happy operator wont be honest with him, and is told to contact ibas.
Backer is saying now that due to horse getting funds returned from Operator the staking situation has reopened.
Thats where its at currently.
*Also just like to say horse hasnt asked me to do this, i just feel he's getting shafted pretty hard by a few people so im gonna ask for advice to see what people think
But my take on it is that the Operator has a duty of care to horse, as he has a contract with the operator when he signs up to the site, the operator has put horse in a position of risk by allowing the unathorized transfere / refusing to investigate, and the operator acted dishonestly. (dishonest by the standards of normal decent honest people) nd also imagine against procedure / his license.
Horse has done everything in his power to make operator aware , and the balance was still taken, the operator making up a story and blaming horse, is covering over what really happend, could be construed as fraud in many people's eyes.
Horses move.....
Thanks people
Michael.
Hey guys and gals,
We are going to chime in here really quickly at this time in regards to this post with a few things to say before taking this to the next level if deemed necessary.
We are the stable mentioned , C Biscuit Stables and we have zero issue with " outing" ourselves ... and of course there is two sides to the story.
We have a long standing relationship with the poker community and have built a solid reputation helping and working with several hundred players in a variety of areas within the game and business of poker that we all love.
Without completely exposing this nonsense and who is behind it at this time , we will note a few things that we believe are of importance:
1) The person that made this post is at best a family member of the player involved and quite possibly the player himself ... we don't think we need to address the potential ramifications of what that could mean to him should the community decide to do some further digging.
We are simply saying that an obvious bias should be noted in what was said by that " buddy" of the horse in question
2) The player has picked three fights ... we are only interested in dealing with the matter as it relates to our stake with the player ... he can have his other battles on his own time and we will not be addressing those other issues.
3) This matter was already settled privately with us as it relates to the staking issue , however now that the horse has had OUR money returned to his account , he is looking for a payday even after his agreements states otherwise.
4) We of course have documentation on all of it and will be quite happy to have some well respected members of the community view this to verify if necessary. Clearly if this does go public then all will be revealed.We will not sit idly by and listen to utter nonsense being spouted off without sharing our side of the story.
5) We offered the horse the opportunity to go to the forums and have the community weigh in when the situation was at hand and he declined in order to clear himself of a pile of make up and remain anonymous.
We have a quite long and detailed version of events addressing each point made by this person posting and as mentioned we will share that part privately for now if necessary ... so what we will do at this time is save the need to get out the popcorn just yet ... and we will post the cliffs of that piece.
We have let the player in question know that we would be responding to this post and that if he continues to hold back our stake money going against what he agreed to initially ... and then not following through on what was promised should this situation arise , then we will of course have to expose him and post his personal id and information and open him and his dealings up to public scrutiny as we will not take this lightly.
Here are the cliffs of what may or may not be posted at a later date:
Cliffs:
Player angry that stake funds which DO NOT BELONG TO HIM were requested moved from his player account. Player violated contract (again) this time he knowingly deposited backers money ( without permission or notification ) to a site that was no longer an unauthorized site for his stake. He did this twice , almost going broke , then running it up some and not letting backers know until later. We asked to have OUR FUNDS removed as player obviously cannot be trusted as current events continue to show.
Backers froze stake for review when realizing this is exactly what happened.
Players violation of staking agreement clearing shows him forfeiting any "profit" as per contract. Player was also $5500-6k in make up at this point and had $8k out to him . We recovered $2609 ( he is looking for $132 again now after agreeing he was not entitled to anything ) MAKE UP / NO profit
Player readily agrees to be dropped and have his make up dropped, not be charged for his contract violations, forfeits any " perceived" winnings as per his agreement clearly states and the issue/his details kept off the boards. After being offered the chance to share the story with the community, which we were happy to do, player declines.
The player raises hell after the fact, presumably looking for a payday from someone and takes no responsibility for his own actions which caused this whole event with unauthorized deposits and moving of funds which DID NOT belong to him.
Stake funds backers recovered have now being returned to the players poker account resulting in a chargeback to us ( $2609 ) and the player is now withholding said stake funds after agreeing they would be returned. Stealing. Theft. Breach of contract agreement etc.
Player said this:
Also if you are charged by ( the site ) and monies are put into my poker account, i will return funds back to you with imediate effect, please let me know how to send funds back via skrill to you, if this happens, as our staking agreement ended on July 13th 2015, and no monies are currently owed to me due to my acceptance of the deal you offerd me on July 13th 2015
** I will note that player sent me an email yesterday simply stating " funds have been withdrawn to skrill today" ... but no mention of what he was going to do with the funds and he did not respond to an email asking him exactly that question.
Nonsense post by " brother" of said player has issue back on the table and we are more than happy to share with community if he plans on stealing stake funds and not sending as promised.
Of course there is more to the story but we have enough drama guys day in and day out in the poker business and if we can wrap this up as before without wasting more time on what was a dealt with / non issue , then I believe we should do that.
If this player is now going to not honour his agreement and would like us to out him and share who he is and what he has been up to , in order to attempt to go after $132 he feels he is owed ( and agreed to give up ) and attempt to steal or withhold our $2609 stake funds returned to his account , in exchange for now putting his whole $8k make up owing on the table along with his reputation , we certainly are willing to accommodate that brilliant strategy.
We have been told by many colleagues in the backing industry as well as other well know members of the poker community to let it be known who he is .. and there really is no reason we shouldn't , other than give him one last chance to give his head a shake and rethink his position. Believe it or not , most of us in the backing industry don't enjoy crushing guys like this when they cant get out of their own way and they are their own worst enemies.
It's unfortunate it has come to this as we had a fairly decent relationship in the past but it just goes to show that you cant really tell about people until the **** hits the fan.
Please do let us know how you would like to proceed " horse"
Regards,
Colin & Dave and C Biscuit Stables Partners