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Does it make sense to have 2 seperate payments with a cash game stakee? So weekly I get RB payment from him + another winnings payment?

What happens when we split 50/50 and his RB earnings is +$100 but his winnings are -$200. Do we just carry this -$100 over to the next week?

Thanks in advance sir

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12-28-2010 , 07:57 PM

#1102

ChristopherFlowers

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 152

Hey guys, I hope this is the right place to ask this. I have a live player staked on a long-term staking arrangement with a 50% profit split. He is lifetime up about $5,000, so that is about $2,500 up for me.

We're on a trip together here in Las Vegas, and over about 1,000 hands of $1/$2 live he is down about $1800. This is the worst downswing he has ever had, and the worst I have seen amongst the four players I have staked.

After he dropped $1100, I told him to take a break, watch me play a bit, and keep track of all his hands. His last $600 I have seen, all seemed to be bad beats or coolers.

What should I do? When should I end the arrangement?

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12-28-2010 , 08:52 PM

#1103

Bren

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,509

If dropping 1800 has you wanting to quit the stake then you obviously weren't rolled for this in the beginning.

If he's still playing profitably and you're stilled rolled to stake him I don't see why you'd drop him now unless you think he's become untrustworthy. You're on 100% of return for the next 1800.

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12-28-2010 , 09:03 PM

#1104

Invertible

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,348

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Originally Posted by ChristopherFlowers

I don't play live but is 9BI really a bad downswing, I only get worried when it gets to about 25

?

but anyway, he's still up alot so why would you get rid of him if he is a profitable player?

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12-30-2010 , 04:21 AM

#1105

ChristopherFlowers

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 152

Thank you for the advice guys, I appreciate it.

I'm not worried about the magnitude of the downswing, I'm worried about the speed. 450BB down over 1000 hands is pretty unlikely, at least according to my math. Running with a 10BB/100 win-rate and a 50bb/100 standard deviation the results are less than 1/1000.

I am bankrolling players with my own account, so it is effectively unlimited at this level ($100,000+). I'm mostly interested in making a sound business decision.

I asked him to move down to $0.50/$1 last night and he is up about $250, so hopefully he can pull out of it.

Again, thanks for the advice guys. I am new to this and I really appreciate it.

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12-30-2010 , 02:35 PM

#1106

JL514

because i can

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,820

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Originally Posted by ChristopherFlowers

In my experience, typical poker math doesn't translate well to live since it is so slow and they the dynamic is very different. In online, where 1k hands can take an hour or less, losing 5BI is most likely tilt and poor playing. In live, that can be more than one session and a moderate amount of bad luck / coolers.

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12-30-2010 , 07:05 PM

#1107

XYtexas

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 253

Hi Guys,

Just to check with you. I got a guy who is willing to back my long term MTTs tourneys with full buy-in ($33) and willing to bear all my losses but he will be taking 2/3 of the profit ( around 67%) and i will only be taking 1/3 of the profit ( around 33% ). Is this a standard staking deal? Is this a good deal? Should i take it?

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12-30-2010 , 08:08 PM

#1108

pageh656

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,988

Most mtt deals are closer to 50/50 if they are longterm and include makeup.

If you are accepting a stake to play much higher than you currently are and can't find better opportunities it could be worth a shot though.

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01-01-2011 , 08:33 AM

#1109

alex23

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,962

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Originally Posted by pageh656

How longterm is longterm for MTT's?

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01-03-2011 , 04:43 PM

#1110

gazavat

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 299

Which are the most staker/backer friendly rooms/networks on the market?

What i mean by that: the rooms support and accept staking agreements by disallowing withdrawals or peer to peer transfers from the account or allowing logins from multiple IPs and etc...any other examples of support and understanding from their side are welcome..

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01-03-2011 , 04:50 PM

#1111

DoGGz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 17,315

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Originally Posted by alex23

How longterm is longterm for MTT's?

at least months, sometimes year minimum.

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01-04-2011 , 01:28 AM

#1112

Lasaronen

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 368

My staker proposed the following deal: He gives me 4.000 dollars to supplement my 4.000 dollar bankroll. We share 50 % of the losses if I exit the year in the red. If my numbers are black, he gets 10 % of my profit for the entire year, plus the 4.000 dollars.

I will start with 1-2 PLO HU and move up in stakes when I have 50-60 buy-ins for the new limit. I am a 7-8 bb winner over roughly 100.000 hands and my std deviation is 200 bb pr 100 hands.

Does this sound fair? I think it's a decent deal myself, but I want to apply some sort of cap in case I run hotter than lava.

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01-04-2011 , 03:30 PM

#1113

JL514

because i can

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,820

Sounds pretty awesome. I wouldn't set a cap.

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01-06-2011 , 11:33 AM

#1114

DON2011

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4

how many posts do I need to post on this forum or is it necessary to send the deal first to an admin?

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01-06-2011 , 01:02 PM

#1115

DoGGz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 17,315

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Originally Posted by DON2011

how many posts do I need to post on this forum or is it necessary to send the deal first to an admin?

you need to have been a member for 6 months to start a thread.

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01-06-2011 , 06:35 PM

#1116

JL514

because i can

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,820

ya also read the stickies, mostly the one that says READ THIS TO BE ABLE TO START THREADS

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01-07-2011 , 03:27 PM

#1117

Nikcurt

stranger

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8

For MTTs is a 30/70 split with MU reasonable?

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01-09-2011 , 11:26 PM

#1118

Body_Dragin

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7

I am looking to post threads to stake and be staked and apply for stakes but wasnt able to post a new thread can anyone help here

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01-10-2011 , 10:14 AM

#1119

JL514

because i can

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,820

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Originally Posted by Body_Dragin

I am looking to post threads to stake and be staked and apply for stakes but wasnt able to post a new thread can anyone help here

I think I can help.

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Originally Posted by JL514

ya also read the stickies, mostly the one that says READ THIS TO BE ABLE TO START THREADS

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01-10-2011 , 11:08 AM

#1120

alexuuus

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,316

ok, i´m member longer than 6months and cant start a staking-thread. dont know why, anyone can help me?

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01-10-2011 , 11:21 AM

#1121

Bren

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,509

Really?

Last edited by Bren; 01-10-2011 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Hint : Look at the post above you

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01-10-2011 , 11:26 AM

#1122

alexuuus

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,316

alexuuus, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

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01-10-2011 , 12:22 PM

#1123

Body_Dragin

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7

Yea i read the sticky

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01-10-2011 , 01:23 PM

#1124

Invertible

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,348

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Originally Posted by Body_Dragin

Yea i read the sticky

Then why did you ask when you have not been a member 6 months like the sticky says?

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01-10-2011 , 01:50 PM

#1125

alexuuus

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,316

i still have no clue, whats wrong with my account. who can i contact ?

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