my suggestion is that he just take the money he is gonna stake you with, and just have him pay some of his debt off.


i see no other option really.

How can you control what he does with his own money? If you're not going to stake him for a game, why can't he play in it? Can he not play blackjack / slots / lotto with his own money either?

quick question :

I stake two players, I stake them to play tournaments and cash games. Player 1 recently moved from poker site A, to poker site B.

Player 2 still had some funds on poker site A. Player 1 asked Player 2 for funds to play a decent sized MTT. Player 1 won the tournament and sent half of the funds to Player 2.

I later told Player 1 that I was already staking him, and that Player 2 had basically sent him my funds to play the tournament.

What is the appropriate recourse?

Whats a standard cut for long-term staking on $50-100 MTTs (with make-up)?

On the first page I read 60/40 in backers favor was the norm, but was not sure if it varies with different ABIs.

Would 70/30 or 80/20 be ridiculous if i'm a clear cut winning player?
(~ 25% roi, ABI of $75, 5000 game sample).

Thx for the help!

Is it possible to stake someone at the micro limits for $50.

Uh, just tell #2 to send you the money that #1 sent him?

50/50 + MU is the norm. 60/40 is not unheard of (horses favor) with good results but anything higher than that for MTTs is pretty out there. I would go with profit goals predetermined such that if you hit $x you get 55/45, if you hit $y (y>x obv) you get 60/40 etc.

Yes.

Alright I want to start staking but would like to start out small. I want to stake a micro player for $50. What is the best way to find someone to stake for such small amount. Another question is it even worth to stake someone for such a small amount. Instead of doing a 60/40 or 50/50 split can you just state I would like to make such and such profit on the $50?

Thanks for the help guys.

It's your money, you should be able to set whatever terms you want.

Yea i guess you are right. Is it okay if you post in the unl forums and state something like I am looking to stake a few guys for this amount of money and set my requirements. Or are you not allowed to do that and what are some ways to find players? Thanks for the help guys.

HEY i need a mod to edit out part of my staking post.

Does anyone have any experiences intentionally staking losing/breakeven players and turning them into winning players through coaching? Would I have to get a coaching thread to do this? What are the typical arrangements for these sorts of deals considering there is more risk involved?

Hey Guys,

Fairly simple one I hope.

Recently swapped 5% in a live tournament with a friend, first place was first place + a seat in an upcoming live event. This was advertised pre tournament. Do I have 5% (or 5% cash value of the seat) in the upcoming live event?

thats what mi_turtle did

Morning All.

I have recently been approached about applying for a staking deal with the individuals staking group. The message was based on the strategy posts I've made (in fact I have less than 100 tournaments under my belt).

So I have decided to play for another month and then apply which will give me time to put in some more tournaments and get some more knowledge of how staking works.)

Here is the problem...I still have no clue how "makeup" works. (I have searched all the forums repeatedly.

For example, the staker pays a buy-in for a $100 tournament and the stakee loses on the first hand and wins $0. The staker pays buy-in for second tournament and stakee wins $1000...does the stakee owe the staker $100 in buy in or does he owe the $100 buy-in for the first tournament as well.

I see a lot of posts where the stakee is in "makeup" and can't leave the deal while in makeup...but if he never owes of a lost tournament and pays back make up for tournaments in which he cashes..how is anyone ever in makeup...

obviously I'm very confused....HELP

In your example $200 is owed to the backer before any profit chop is made. So if you deal was for 1/2 of profit then your share is 400.

hi,
i wanted to stake a player which i don´t know personally. The staking was intended to be 1500$ on NL50. Which conditions are ok in order to backup some unexpected cheating/loosing

-- duration (Hands/fixed time e.g. 6months?)
-- winnings ratio (50/50 split or more for me? whats about rakeback?)
-- amount (e.g. send him 1k$ and eventually resend the other 500$ later if hes running bad?)

I´d appreciate if it was a win-win situation but i dont want to risk to much nor be unfair to him.

whats my line?

thx!

How many BI would a player need to play 18man SNGs comfortably? I know this is dependent on how many tables they play at a time, but could someone give me a rough estimate? Thanks.

100+?

depends if you are talking about backing for them (from a backers perspective)


if i was backing for 18 mans, i would prolly want like 1000 buy ins er so for any given limit, at least. (kinda differs if you are staking a lot of people/hopefully cutting down on the variance involved).


if you are talking about playing them maybe like 100 if you are playing them as a side income type thing, and around 300ish if its only source of income.

I'm looking to stake a player who 24 tables 25nlfr at stars. Im curious what a standard deal for this would be, specifically how RB would be calculated in to a 50/50 profit split?

Hello fellow 2+2ers.

I have a few questions regarding staking/coaching deals.

I jumped up to in January 2010 and it showed success right of the bat,
after break-even 24 tabling NL 50 for rakeback last 2 months of 2009. Didn't really improve my game at all, but made a few bucks at NL 50. However when I played NL 100 I was playing less tables and tried to focus on game flow and game dynamics more.

In April / March I cashed out a huge chunk of all money I made. Because I wanted more money to trade in the the stockmarked, and currently is unemployed and dropped out of studies because I was tired of it.

(Around 19k USD in total, with rakeback is my profits.) Excluding live donkaments and home lolgames with whales.

PTR and Sharkscope are not 100% also rakeback is wrong on PTR mostly cause I was Supernova on Stars. (The 215$ donkaments that has been played was with FPPs)

I wonder if anyone want to look me up and see if I'm the kind of person that could recieve and staking&coaching deal?

For how long and for how many hands does a deal last?

Whats should I look for if I was to get staked, whats normal as of deals made?

How many BI's for cashgames NL 100 for example.

My goal is not just a staking deal, because I want to focus on playing 8-10 tables with good win-rate and evolve as a poker player. I just wanna become as good as possible. What I might be looking for is a combined deal with coaching as well as staking.

Im a kind of responibly person who hates to loose money, and if I was to be staked someday I probably would have a bad feeling in my gut if I lost another persons money.


My username is brutti on both PokerStars and Full-Tilt. Most of my volume is played on Stars by far.

Thanks in advance, I hope someone will answer my post.

Just to add to Bren's post: I think this is how it works, let me know if it's not:

Assume 50% profit split with makeup:

1) Makeup = 0; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
2) Makeup = 100; Buyin = 100; you cash for $1000

You pay $200 to the backer and split the rest ($800 / 2) = $400 more to the backer. So the backer gets $600 and you get $400

3) Makeup = 0; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
4) Makeup = 100; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
5) Makeup = 200; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
6) Makeup = 300; Buyin = 100; you cash for $1000

You pay $400 to the backer and split the rest ($600 / 2) = $300 more to the backer. So backer gets $700 and you get $300

7) Makeup = 0; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
8) Makeup = 100; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
9) Makeup = 200; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
10) Makeup = 300; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
11) Makeup = 400; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
12) Makeup = 500; Buyin = 100; you don't cash
13) Makeup = 600; Buyin = 100; you cash for $400

You pay $400 to the backer leaving you still $300 in makeup.

For a cash game stake, is it standard that the stakee first sends the stake amount back before splitting the winnings? Say I get a $1k stake and I win $1k, do I first send $1k back to the backer or can I keep x% of the winnings already?

If the stake is continuing you send back $500, keep $500 (ideally cash it out) and continue with a roll of $1k

If the stake is ending you send back $1500 and keep $500

What should I be doing with this $50 bonus from ftp if it isn't covered by my agreement? I would think its mine but I should leave $13.50 to cover the MGR hit? Does this sound fair? The exact working of my agreement is "rakeback related equity." Is a bonus "rakeback related equity?" Additionally, given the timing of my stake its unlikely it had any impact on whether or not I received said bonus. OTOH, it's $18 ffs. I'd just say w/e and pay him if he disagrees, but I'd still like to know what is fair IYO.