I know his account name on 2+2. I also have his cell phone number and his full real name.

isnt it about time to make zima a staking forum mod?

I'd try all of those first, if the stake was done through contact on here I'd let a marketplace mod know whats going on as well.

Hi I'm poosting in here with a general question: wondering if my stats are decent enough to get a stake for backing on <$5.50 MTTs on PS




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Hi, never did any staking b4 so not sure if im in the right place. Im looking to be staked for pokertracker. Im a winning player but i just see myself giving up too much of an edge to the players that use it against me. Im mostly micro stakes and have too big of br management to use a big chunk of it on pokertracker. Can anyone help me out on how i should go about getting this stake?

I don't know if this should go here, but it says there: Staking Advice so i'll give it a try.
I'm interested in your honest opinions about what my chances for a stake are right now, and what should i do to improve them, taking in consideration that i currently have no good bankroll to improve them.
I'm new here and i think reply to this from experienced users would help me and other to make an idea about what our chances are. Is it really about honesty and potential or just guarranteed succes that a bacher is interested in?
my user on Partypoker and Pokerstars: Tzanti
I would like to know Yes or No for any kind of stake and if Yes (how much and at what sng, mtt, etc).
(I think this will help me decide if i have any chances or better try and save some money and have my own bankroll in 6 months or so...).
I have to mention I never but more than 50$ on a deposit and always tried to make it from freerolls or micro limits and climb levels, and when i finally had a bankroll i had to cash out to pay for college.

Mods: How do I get permission to start my own threads in this forum? Please PM me.

Better idea:

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Posting this for a friend because he wants his name and his backer to remain anonymous.

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I've been on a stake since August with my backer. Our original deal was to do 50/50 I keep rakeback, 3 month time period, rakeback goes towards makeup until I'm out of makeup, then I get to withdraw all the rakeback I put into rakeback. We had no written agreements or contracts, just general courtesy (I had good references) and trust that it was a 3 month contract, and makeup in the last week i could buy out at a certain $.

My first downswing occured in August, was a ~23bi's at nl200. He told me to play 50nl for 20 bi's, then 100nl for a few bi's then I could move back up to nl200. I did this within a few weeks, grinding my ass off and got the job done and was out of makeup. I put up with him telling me to play 50nl because (heads up stake btw) I just hit a 25 bi downer, and he didn't have many hands with me so maybe he felt more comfortable with 50nl for a little bit. The 3 months of stake ended while I was still in makeup, but because I'm not a douchebag I saw him through to make sure he got all his money back, even though it's an investment and I don't really have to do that do i? Anyway, After that we did week by week really, with no end date to our stake.

My next downswing occurred at about 20bi's of nl200. He told me not to play regs at 1/2 cause he wasn't comfortable with that, I said ok. I had a reg (didn't know he was) sit with me 1 day and I knew he was a reg after about 25 hands, but this reg was absolutely horrible and I felt like I had incredible edge over this reg. This reg called 3 4bets within 10 minutes with 58s (vs my QQ i stacked him), 49s (vs my KK he stacked me) and A9o(vs my AQ we checked it down). I couldn't bring myself to quit such incredible action from someone who called 100% of 4bets, and stacked off with any piece.
My staker tried to get me to play 50nl again for 20bi's, and I don't know what to do now. I've tried talking to him, and we didn't really agree with anything (he left after we stopped talking for about 10 minutes so we couldn't finish our convo) he still wanted me to play 50nl and was upset that I played that reg.

So out of principle, I don't want to play 50nl cause I've proven to him that I can beat 100nl and I've done a lot of makeup through it. Also, it's something that's annoying me in the back of my head even though I try not to have an ego, the fact that he's not confident enough in me to make me play 50nl also makes me play sub optimally. I have proven to him that I got through nearly 5k of makeup and then made profits for him before this next downswing.

Whats my play? Am I allowed to demand to makeup in 100nl cause we had no written agreements, and I think him getting me to makeup in 50nl for a while is stupid? Am I in the wrong, is he allowed to control what I play/do? If I were to quit now, in makeup am I obligated to pay him the x/$ he said to buy out the makeup?

I wrote this as unbiased as possible. I could have written it to make me look like more a victim, but then I wouldn't be getting answers to my actual problem, only answers that I want to hear. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Your 3 months are over & you disagree with your current backer about who/what/how you should play.

Find a new backer.

Am I allowed to just drop him no strings attached in makeup this deep?

I think that you have a certain obligation to at least get out of make up. Even though you are going week by week or month by month. Obviously the agreement is that you grind out of make up or pay the % of $ discussed. But with that said, him trying to make you play 50nl is quite ridiculous imo. This was never discussed and it seems like you did it the first time out of good faith.

If you are a winner at 100nl, then the backer has to come to a decision at this point. Either 1. he lets you grind 100nl for awhile to regain confidence and then make most of it up in 200nl, or 2. if he is not satisfied with your play, then take the loss and move separate ways. Just because you are in a downswing, I don't feel it gives the backer the right to make you play whatever limit he chooses for an indefinite amount of time. Dropping down isn't a bad idea. But it should be within the boundaries and the limits discussed before a deal was made, not whatever the backer wants.

first off, it doesnt make you a saint that you dropped down and gridned out MU for him. You would be a huge douchebag to just leave him while in MU and go find another stake. If you did do that, you should be labeled to all stakers and really should never get a deal again. that is one of the worst things you can do as a horse.

Him making you drop all the way to 50nl is kinda ****ty as well. You get your 4k in MU at 200nl, and you should be able to grind it back there as well. if he wants you to drop down to maybe 100nl, than thats fine, but you really shouldnt have to drop all the way to 1/4th the stake to get out of that MU. It seems like the staker really isnt rolled to be backing you at 200nl.


If you were to quit now, you would owe him some sort of buyout if you are going to be getting another backer. He could also sell your MU to another backer. Just leaving him and not deal with the MU is a horrible idea and i would urge the backer to put you in negative feedback if you did do this (not saying you will).



gl to you

I'm pretty sure I know who your backer is and I think this situation is dumb.

There is no reason you shouldn't be playing nl100... it makes no sense. You grind your way back up to nl200, have a downswing, you move down to nl100. If you have a downswing there you move back down to nl50.

Also I think it's very relevant that it gets confirmed or denied that your staker was trying to sell his other stakees make ups. He stated this was because he needed capital for other projects. If this is the case then I think he needs to decide to either stake you for the right stake (nl100 until you can take nl200 shots again) or let you go free of makeup because he can no longer stake you because it's not fair to his stakee (you) that because he took on more then he can handle.

I also think that him telling you not to play regs is really ****ty on his part. That's a part of poker and a reason that many people take a stake is to get better without financial risk, you can't do that playing fish all the time.

not sure this is anyone's business but the staker himself. Yes, this would come into play in whether the staker has to continue backing or not, but i dont feel as though anyone needs to know this but the staker himself.

I kind of agree with you but kind of don't. Obviously understand where you are coming from and respect your opinion.

Yes you're right it is no one's business and shouldn't really apply. But you always preach that you want to know information about stakees... well as a stakee I would like to know information about a staker.

IMO if the above is true then the staker is totally out of line and should be outted so that the general public can be aware of it.

You agreed yourself that there is no way he should be trying to force him to play nl50... I don't want myself or another stakee to get into a similar situation so I think he needs to be given bad feedback, obviously if he (the staker, not the stakee) fixes the problem then nothing needs to be made public.

I apologize for this -- it seems I misread your original post. It sounds like you made some profit, chopped it up, went negative, grinded out, made more profit & chopped then went negative again. Is that accurate?

How deep are you in makeup at this point if you have made some profit in the past? You should definitely clear, or make an attempt to clear your makeup before finding another backer. The advice given itt is spot on -- that you owe it to your backer to grind out the makeup and that he owes it to you to let you do it at a reasonable stake. This time, when you get out of makeup, find a new backer!

I also think its kind of bs that this thread has been moved to this junk of a thread. When stupid posts like "scammed by a friend" have their own thread in staking forum still. i know its part of 'staking advice", but its going to be so hard to follow the discussion after somebody else seeks different advice.

im only saying this because we have already split up the staking forum. i dont think small thread like this are going to clog it up. And if it is, then i think there should be a subforum for general staking discussion. not just one ****ty thread.

Hi I am new to the 2+2 community, in that I've only posted a couple times. I have however read quite a few posts. I am a winning player on ongame ipoker and cake networks. I started reading this staking thread recently and I noticed that there are tons of backers even at lower stakes. Being backed is something I might want in the future. But is this even possible considering I don't have any connections with the online poker community? Can I really make a deal with someone I never met. Is this done?

probably depends on the stake, and the amount of money at risk. also if you have good results and you can prove it.

how do i figure the correct markup to charge when looking for backers for 4 WSOP events totalling 15,500. I have a huge edge in all the tournaments and am a well known stud player (the events are stud) I don't have a lot of results from live tournaments as this is the first year ill be playing them, but i have cashed in every FTOPs i've played (4+). I have a lot of references and good results in coaching/playing.
What is the standard markup for a good player with a big edge in these tournaments?

Hey. Not sure if this is the place, and I will prob start a new thread once I get access. I am looking for a backer for live events.

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I am willing to start with LAPC and def plan on at least playing many WSOP events this summer.

is locking in X month contracts common for stakes? what advantages/disadvantages does this provide to staker and stakee?

Question abt live stakes (sorry if this is all basic stuff but just want to be sure I understand):

So a group of guys is putting me into some live events totaling ~5k (avg buy-in ~500). Here is the agreement that is being worked out...I think it is good one for me but just want to make sure I am not overlooking anything.

1. Out of any cashes the shareholders are repaid first. So if I cash exactly 5k it all goes back to shareholders. (Is this make-up??)

2. Everything beyond that is split by some % (still working on that). SO if I cash 10k total-5k goes back to the shareholders and then the remaining 5k is split by the % between the horse (me) and the shareholders.

I cover all my own travel, food, cash games, etc.

I am by no means a balla. In fact, I play very few on-line tournaments but do have multiple live 5 figure cashes and made ~30k net off of live tournament play in 2009 playing a very limited schedule.

Does this set up seem reasonable? All parties seem to be in agreement but these are friends so I don't want anyone to think I am getting the best of it or whatever.