20% for you and 80% for backer

sometimes 25% for you and 75% for backer

excuse me if this is not the right thread.....

i have some mates who are looking to buy some action of mine in a forthcoming torney.
if they are just beuying a stake of me, does this normally mean that they take a % of winnings if there are any. but if i dont cash i do not have to pay back the % they put up of my buy in.

would i be correct in thinking this?

why there is a thread for all the questions about staking?? If I have some questions then I have to look all the thread to know if the answers are for my questions or for other guy..Why cant I make a post and discuss my questions there?

For family reasons I need to be staked into SNGs. A guy wants coaching from me and he would stake me if give him coach (he doesnt want to pay $/hour for the coach). The guy is for another country and he knows me from a spanish website where I make videos and analyze MTTs. He can see Im a winning player at SNGs becuase of Sharkscope. Im giving him the coaching for staking because he has some risk...He doesnt know me personally and Im from another country (besides the risk of going broke..)

- How does the guy know that I have played what i say and I win what I say that I win?

- How many hours should I coach him a mounth, So I wont be giving him a lot of hours of coach and being to risky for me? (I can be giving him about 30 hours, that would be 1500$ worth aprox, and be winning nothing...)

- When and with what conditions this arrengement would end?

- If im going to look at the hands he sends me to prepare the coaching, how do I charge him? How many hands does one coacher reviews per hour to talk later to the student?.

My idea is to give him the time of coaching that compesates the risk he is taking for staking me. If everything goes right (which is the most likely) he will be winning a lot (coaching + $)

PD: Im going to play SNGs with a 2k$ aprox bank and 100buyin rule

My guess is that you should get staked.


Then if you win $500, you owe him $250, so that $250 he can spend for coaching or you can give it to him, so if your hourly is $50/hr, you can give him 5 hrs of coaching to keep all the winnings.

Obviously then @ some point you pay him back the staked amount.

sharkscope

also if you are on stars you can request a full playing history audit and send it to him every day/week/whatever

maybe for every 10 hours you are grinding under his stake you give him back 1 hour of coaching, seems fair considering he's already making money from staking you like any normal backer would, assuming you're good.

How long will you need to be staked before you make enough that you don't need backing? That long.

If he sends you a HH of a sng and it takes you 30 mins to look through it and take notes then 30 mins for you to write to him with advice or talk to him about the hand then thats 1 hour of coaching.

On sharscope you can know the SNGs a guy has played on a given day and his results?
If I ask FullTilt or Stars to allow this guy to request all my HHs, will they accept? Becuase if not I can be sending him the hands that I want..

post your questions, and people will respond


(most of the time)

yes on sharkscope you can see the sngs someone has played and their results.
sending him player history audits on stars is also very accurate.

I know that most of the time people will answer, but if there is a thread with a lof of people asking different questions I might have to search for the answers to my questions..Its the same if for hands for middle stakes NLH would be only one thread..

I dont know if I have expressed myself correctly. I want to know if in Sharkscope I can know that a guy played 3 27$ SNG on tuesday, 5 16$ and that on wensday he only played a 60$ one..

When I do send him a Stars audit, theres no way I can manipulate that?

yes he can find out those details from sharkscope with advanced search / filter but he will need a subscription

yes you could manipulate the audit before sending it to him so SS would be better from his point of view

No it's not the same.

Also, you can search the thread using the 'search this thread' button.

Stars sends you an email w/ your audit I think. Just forward that email.

If you are asking a general question, you should always search before posting anyway.

This is a good point, worth noting is that it is also very likely that he would have to then read the answer. This all seems unnecessarily complex.

Hi there, this is just a general enquiry into my standard in regards to getting staked. I've been playing tournament poker for around 5 years (I'm 19), and taking it seriously for the last 2/3 years or so.

I'm on FTP stats can be seen on Sharkscope or OPR as matt12341. I primarily play $1-5 MTT rebuys atm. Would people take me on or have I not played enough etc. etc. Because I'm a student I don't quite have the roll I'd like which is why I'm seeking a stake to perhaps play a little higher than I am, or where I am but with less risk. I was staked for the Double Deuce and (well as well all know thats a luckfest) and managed to come 32nd, with the staker getting back his worth (and I can prove that).

Am I wasting my time with this?

Regards.

(also I have another $80 to come in on my stats from this morning.)

Or you could just press and read the few posts made since you last read the thread. Seeing as this thread only gets a few posts most weeks, it really shouldn't be that hard.

If u had a horse playing turbo mtts like 180s or 45s and u were going to let them keep all fpps, what % would be fair for the deal assuming the horse is a solid winning player? I know 50/50 is standard but letting them keep all fpps how would this alter the %?

it really all depends swd. depends on the number of games stakes, his roi, if you trust him, how long you have backed him, etc

can PM me if you wanna ask a more exact question.


for a horse i stake, he was 55-45 is his favor, and the fpps went into the deal. (playing satellites than unreg'ing from them). he then wanted all his fpp action, for a more steady income. I than took 55% of profits, and he has 45%, but he has all his own fpp action.

A question about whether a potential deal is fair. I'm entering into an agreement with a backer. The initial deal is agreed upon and largely standard. I will have bankroll x and play cash game limits A through B. Profits and losses to be dealt with on the first of each month. We were in discussion about me playing limit C. A limit I've played and beat in the past. The games at level C aren't all that frequent, but do go from time to time. We share the same goal of maximizing ev. He doesn't want to put forth that high of an investment at this point. But is willing to take profit from results of the stake to take shots.

Initially he suggested that if I had profited Y dollars after one or two months and Y was enough to take a shot at limit C then we could take that shot. I explained that at the end of a month half of Y is now mine. And that it wouldn't make sense for me to receive only a standard horse's take from the profits of play at limit C when the stake is now joint venture, albeit smaller on my end. He agreed. So we're trying to come up with fair percentages or methods to reinvest profits that give us the best chance to be as profitable as possible.

I suggested that taking shots at limit C would be allowed inside the confines of a month and only when my profits for the month exceeded a buyin of 25 BB (it's limit hold em) to the limit C game. I would have stop losses in place of 50BB or the amount of the month's profit. Whichever is smaller. At the end of each month the backer is free to do with his portion of the profits what he wishes. Whether that's pocketing the money or increasing the size of the initial bankroll and lowering the amouint of profit needed to start playing limit C. The downsides to this are that profits from limits A through B can be quickly wiped out in limit C. But limit C will not be able to take me into loss. Also, if games at limit C are going at the beginning of a month and I had been beating them at the end of the previous month, I would be hamstrung by the need to profit the buy in at lower levels first. This isn't really that big of a deal. But could end up frustrating.

Hopefully that all made sense. Is it fair for both parties? Is there a better choice out there? If I were to reinvest my profit for a month as was initially thought of, what would then be my fair take of the profits and losses from limit C?

I am going to approach a couple of friends about getting staked and I would like your opinions. I will spell out the deal and operating on the assumption, that you would be willing, I would like to know what terms you would expect.

The deal has two parts. I have the opportunity to run a small game for a local charity. they are applying for a charitable gaming permit so the game would be legal and the pots would be raked, 10%/ $3 max.

My problem is, I am not selling any houses at the moment and can't afford to get a good poker table, chips, etc. and getting a little cash each week for running the game would help matters considerably.

I haven't been playing live poker very much. I am not BUSTO due to poker. I am BUSTO because I have all my eggs in one basket and the real estate sales basket has a hole in it at the moment. I want to go back to playing live $3-6 limit holdem approximately twenty hours per week.

What I want is operating capital for the charity game and a $3-6 limit holdem bankroll. I would need $3,500.

Assuming you were agreeable, what would you expect out of this deal?

If I wanted to get a stake to help me move up limits, what would be the general parameters? I could play 1k 45pp SNGs in one month. I have the bankroll to play in the game with a small-moderate risk of ruin (100 buyins). And I would be looking mainly for someone just to be covering my losses if I downswing again at the onset of moving up.

What are acceptable percentages/parameters?

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Hi Steam, fwiw:

1. Make sure you understand the restrictions of the charitable gaming permit... in some states you cannot pay someone to run the games.

2. Getting paid to run a small game for a local charity seems like negative Karma


Trying to shake off the positive karma from shanoobigans stakes already?

Two questions:

1. Is it a bad idea to play a small MTT where you are staking someone? Lets say there are 200 runners.

2. What is the best way to structure a stake for a rebuy tournament? The tournament as an example is a $215 rebuy:

Option 1:
The value of your stake assumes I use four buyins: A $81.50 stake gets you 10% of my winnings regardless of how many rebuys I use. If I were to use 3 buyins, I would get 33% markup, if I used 5 I would get -33%. 5%/$40.75 min.

Option 2:
The percentage of winnings you are entitled to will be proportional to how much I spend: If you invested $61.50 and I use 3 buyins, you would be entitled to $61.50/$615 = 10% of my winnings. If I use 5 buyins, you would get $61.50/$1015 = 6% of the winnings. $40 min

Option 3:
You send me enough to cover 5 buyins and I send back any unused portion of your stake plus your winnings. If I only used 3 buyins, you would get back 40% of the stake plus winnings. 5%/$50.75 minimum.