zima i just read what you wrote.. I paid them back cuz I decided to. im not here to argue i just didn't like the deal however it is none of my business

looks to me like the backer did a horrendous job with communication. The terms of the stake/contract was obviously unclear.

Ill bite pred. In which way did I communicate horrendously? When I ignored my backer for months on end, or when I "decided I was no longer playing for my backer" and didn't tell him?

Also, what is your interest in attacking me at all opportunities with nothing but insults?

In term of the deal/contract with the horse...


Uhm, when you posted the private message. Unacceptable.

You were like that before I posted it and you threaten me and don't think ill post it? Hahahaha

yeah, you were acting like a huge douchebag. Lol at threatened you. gl in life

I think you just have to take this as a lesson learned. Just don't let horses play with there own money on the account you are staking them on, it just gets rid of all this mess. It lets people to do this and get away with it, its pretty clear he freerolled you and he knows it.

+1

I've learned that lesson for sure and that **** will never happen again. Now its jusyt a matter of getting what I feel is mine.

Actually I don't see much of a difference at all except he ignored you for awhile.

Last time he was under exclusive agreement and NOT allowed to play with his own money or any other backer. Which was made VERY clear in the agreement he made.

This time he plays with his own money but you allow him to do so from time to time. But for some reason you think it's a total different situation. I'm really confused explain the differences between last time and this time?

I mean anyone who wants to give it a shot go ahead.

i personally think is hole case is pretty messed up, i can certainly understand both sides 2 a certain extend, the problem is that the contract is obv not waterproof so eitherside can shift meaning of it anytime in their favor.. u probably won t see "ya" 11,5k hopefully u`ll see your 1k..

further discussion probably doesn t bring any new points up.

sry bro, take care

+1

this could get interesting but what a wierd way to structure the deal...either way i think the backer had the action on the 22FO and the 50s...on the 109 someone is trying to free-roll someone but i have no idea which one, and don't really care to know...just remember if you don't structure a deal to mutual benefit then it generally won't work out the way you want it to...just wonder if OP would have taken the action if the horse busted on that one...from the wording in the original post it seems that he wouldn't have since OP apparently did not have the roll for it...if i were ruling i would say no action on 109 and action on everything else

good luck sorting it out

Just to help you try to clear up what you're thinking zeal, at the time he played the 109 he had about the 1.5K+ still to ship from the originial 8K profit, plus the money he won in the 55s (waiting for him to send me a playing audit to check actualy numbers). So he basically had enough to play 109s solely from what your sating is definetly my money...I don't really get where you say I wouldn't have the money to roll him for them?!

Also, just wondering what part of the deal wasn't mutually beneficial. I'm probably just missing it(not trying to be sarcastic or whatever)...

F**king hell dpred... is there any thread on 2+2 that you don't troll?

also leg's english seems to have suddenly improved in his reply above.

^great post, and great observation!

edit: softened the post

You've been top notch in this thread as well pred.

(WHY ARE WE SCREAMING!!!)

Thess, would you have covered the losses if he didn't win anything? Would you have made this thread if he didn't win anything, and continued to ignore your emails?

If you are honest with yourself with your answers to these questions and they are no, then I don't understand how you can sleep at night trying to "steal" 11k from this guy. Cause basically it means your freerollin.

However if your answer is yes. Which is doubtable but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt cuase i thought/think you are an excellent backer, then you are deserved 11k which you are going to have to come to a compromise and settle for less just becuase of the contract and the argument of Legendus is partly believable.

Younguns,

1st off, I'm trying not to talk too much about the other details that I have because I told legendus that I would not unless he refused to talk to me on skype on sunday. But the time line and everything else basically backs me against the case legendus is trying to make.

However, to answer your question, if he had gone out and blown the 1.5Kish playing 55s, would I have been pissed at him? Absolutely. Would I have bitched and moaned about the fact that he was a horrible horse on 2+2? More than likely. Would I have expected him to pay me back? Probably not, because he would have been playing games that I was staking him for. Do I know this for sure? Not at all, but if he had legitimately played these games for the stake, what leg do I have to stand on that it shouldn't count since I had agreed to let him play with that money.

Know thess 12345 through strategy discussion threads, etc. Wanted to vouch for him as I know that he is an honest person. I am disturbed at the level of swindlery of some of these horses.

Out. Peace.

i've read the thread, it appears legendus found a loophole and imo owes thess123 nothing, next time you make a contract be sure you have all the details outlined aka the " fine print "

Lol, think you'll find it was a pretty astute observation. I just really don't understand why u seem to always be associated with scammer or v dubious people such as here and in the IFS case. And you seem to be coming off in the same d*ckish tone as u were in the other thread. I mean, maybe people just think your a prick for your attitude and who you associate with but whatever, dpred gonna dpred.

Gl sorting this out OP, I think you and Leg both bear some responsibility for the mess but hope u can both reach an amicable agreement.

I've read through this entire thread, and in my opinion have grasped most points that have been made by both parties. Certainly I don't have as many posts as others on this forum, so my opinion probably won't hold much respect. In addition it wasn't my money backing the player so I truly can't express what you are feeling thess123. With this said, I do think that some money is owed to you thess123. There seems to be a dispute between if the win, which occurred on a Sunday and in my opinion is that start of a new week, constitutes the one game per week that you two agreed on in your contract. I think the fair thing to do since the player played (what he said 9 or 10) that week prior to winning, is to divide the prize money (ie. 10k) by how many games were played that week (say 10) and then that would be your cut. Again this is just a suggestion and I can't really say what it would feel like to be in your shoes. I wish you the best of luck to resolve this issue.

I def think you are owed something thess but it's very gray about what he is being backed for...i definitely think he owes you something, but i can't figure out exactly what and that's a big problem....i don't really understand why you didn't just put out a std 50/50 deal where it's not ambiguous...best way to do this imho is make a new arrangement each time your horses move up, i.e., back him for 22 FO's, when the roll reaches 5K, make a new deal with him...i see a big problem when backers try and monopolize the horses play...

also it seems like you are saying "the roll" includes the horses cut, which is definitely wrong coz it seems like you are saying you are backing him with his own money (i've had a backer think that too)

not saying that was your intention but it's definitely not clear whether or not he played the 109 under your roll...but i think it's pretty clear you had action on the other games as the contract is written but it's so complicated i really can't even be sure of that

covering all the games the horse wants to play under a specified bi is the only way to go btw and if that isn't enough to cover your exposure, then get a split on the FPP's...good luck bro

probably the best post so far in this thread. hopefully the 2 guys can work it out today.