can u respond to my post?^

Thess why did u leave out information ITT? Your deal was that the horse was gonna send a list of games to you each time he played. And the horse didn't do that, so the horse played on his own dime, you have no right to get any piece of it. There is no way in hell you would have sent him the money if he had lost

Ill get to dpred when I can get to a computer and not on my phone. I would like to point out that dred is also friends with pepinos10 and legendus, so I'm going on the assumption that you're speaking for legendus now.

LOL. I am not friends with them. I have them both on MSN, added them like 10 months ago and I never talk with them. I obviously have discussed this with him, and it's very obvious how unproffesional you are, and that you are not in right of any money. Just lol how pathetic you are.

Best of luck!

First off, this PM I just recieved from dpred should show you exactly what type of person he is imo:

you should not post anything we discuss in PMs. Why are you dragging pepinos into this? yes he owes me 400 dollars, but that has nothing to do with legendus. I wasn't scammed... I was young and naive and "loaned" him the money. You better be careful with what you post, or I will mess it up for you.

If you continue down this road, i will make it my personal interest to show how big of a douchebag you are, and that you have no right to get any money.

GL.




1) In the strictest sense, correct. Legendus would send me a list of games that he was planning on playing. Did this change? Occasionally, he would play tourneys other than what we agreed on. Did he ever play before getting my consent to play? Absolutely. As in almost daily becasue of the time differences. There would occasionally be days before I would actually know everything that he played, but that's the way staking is. He had my money, and I allowed him to play anything he wanted that fell into our staking agreement, never denying him playing something that he was staked for (which these tourneys fell into).

2) I didn't have to send any money the day he won. He still had over a thousand dollars of my money, which we agreed that he would use to play in games that we had agreed on (see OP where he emailed me asking if he could use the money that he still had to play in tournaments).

3) I'm not holding anything back. I have posted email and PM exchanges. If there is anything that is being held back, legendus should be posting ITT like I said in the emails we exchanged yesterday.




Please tell me what I left out in this thread. Better yet, please have legendus tell me. He played games that we agreed that I would stake him for, while still having my money in his account. If he had lost, I would have taken the hit, as I had done on mulitiple occasions before.

Also, I wouldn't have had to of sent him the money, because he already had the money in his account?!?!

And yet you PMed me yesterday telling me how you were talking to them. Cool.

Please tell me how I am unprofessional. I am the one posting FACTS. I am the one who was trying to contact my horses weekly. I was not the one who "only checks his email 1/2 times a week" (and yet conviently forgets to answer my emails when he still has my money). I was not the one who told me to meet him on skype last Sunday from 2:00-5:00, and then never shows. I am not the one who it took 3 months and a post in the negative feeback thread on 2+2 to finish paying off a stake. I am not the one saying that "I will mess it up for you". Please tell me how I have been the one acting unprofessionally.

Thanks,
Tyler


PS. I'm not sure when I'll be on a computer again, so if I have short replies, assume they're from my phone.

Okay, let me tell me my side of the story here. On forehand, sorry if I make any grammar mistakes or whatever, guess its readable.

First off all im ofcourse not happy with how this went. But I've got to tell my side of the story since everyone here mostly will instanlty agree with him without knowing some other facts.

I have to say that i've indeed been lazy and inconsequent sending the money from the 22$ ships. It's true, and I won't deny that. But that's not the occasion here. Its about the 12k he SAYS he owns, but in my opinion he doesn't, at all.

When our ''contract'' started, Thess clearly told me that whenever I wanted to play, I had to send him a list with MTT's which he had to agree on before sending me the money. With the stake we had a virtual 2k bankroll, he didn't send me the 2k just for the reason that he wants to agree on the tourneys before sending money. Which is completely fair. But this cannot change when I start winning money. It should still be the same --> Me sending him a list of MTTs which he agrees on.

After I won the 22FO's we had about a profit of 3.5k/4k each. After that I've decided for myself that I've wanted to play some tourneys for myself, so no cut for Thess. I figured that when I didn't send him a list with tourneys, I didn't play for him. Fair right?

So I started playing, all went good ( in the meanwhile I was paying off thess, due to limits it didn't went as fast as I wanted + as I said, i acted lazy sometimes aswell ) and I managed to get 3th in a 109fo, winning a 22sr + some other random stuff.
While winning all this money, I NEVER had the feeling I was playing for the stake, ever. After I won all the tourneys I didn't here that much from him so there was no problem for me.

Untill suddenly he mails me saying he OWS 50% of all the cashes I've made in the past. he says he owes 50% of the 109FO aswell, IMO in ''his contract'' i wasnt even allowed to play the 109FO up this point. It's easy for him to say that I was allowed to.

Also, what if i wouldn't have cashed for like 30 MTT's straight? Would you've still emailed me? I'm almost 100% sure that u would've just said that it wasn't meant for the stake and I had to pay it myself.

So in all, I don't think he has any right for the money, at all. IMO I played with my OWN money. I am not happy with the way this went, but I've paid for the 22FO ships + everything before that, and that's as far as I will go.

He is blaming me for all of this, but instead he maybe should've been thinking about a better and stricter contract.


Again, sorry for the grammar.

Legendus.

I may have missed a few details already mentioned but answering these would go a long way towards clarifying stuff for the community imo. Also, it's a lot harder for you to make this argument when you keep his money in your account while playing these tourneys.

Three questions for now(and ill make sure to talk about the rest later, kevin. You can rest assured knowing ill hit it all)

1] Why would you agree to play for me for 6 months if you were going to stop playing as soon as you hit a few big scores?

2] Why did you never email me when you decided to "stop playing for me"

3] Why did it take posts on 2+2 outing you for me to get you to talk at all if you did nothing wrong?

Legendus since you were "lazy" in sending the money. Which by itself is very sketchy. When you choose to not send someone the money owed you are allowing the backer to free roll. I'm sure you would've stole the money had you not shipped those other tourneys. Seeing how you're a repeat offender.

If the contract states if you made X amount of money you could move up and you made that amount of money you're in debt. You're now trying to play the made the contract more stricter card. When if fact you should of sent him all his money and you wouldn't be in this predicament. That part of the contract seems to have been clear and you admit your fault. SHOULD NOW HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR MISTAKES.

He can't establish if you used his money or not. And there is no reason for not shipping his money back except for malicious intents. This is just a repeat of the last thread with minor details changed. And instead of another backer he just used his own money.

But I'll grab the popcorn cuz I must say this is hilarious. Karma is a bitch. I'm glad it came back x10. Hopefully Thess learned not to stake shady people. And everyone who disagreed with me in the last thread learned never doubt Nate.

Popcorn plz.

whole lotta free rolling going on it seems

maybe im missing stuff but

does the contract state anywhere that legendus cannot play MTT's on his own dime?
were there any other times he played without sending you a list of MTT's and you sending him $? ie. rollover from previous profits? or settle up after?

Short answer, I made sure he had enough money in his account to play what he wanted. I would see what he played within a couple of days (normally daily) and make sure there was nothing too out of line. Hed occasionally play 109s etc on his own dime after profits which I was cool about because 95% of the time hed tell me before what he played. If he lost money on days, I'd refill him so he had enough money. Better details with emails later.

I would also like to add that he NEVER played tournaments that I wasn't staking him for on his own money.

This is contradictory

How?

You first state...

Then state...

So first you say he plays 109's on his own dime sometimes, then in the very nest post take it back and say he "NEVER" played tournaments where you want staking him

He never played tournaments with his own money that I was staking him for (ie at the time 22s). As in he didn't play 22s and under on his own money. Sorry if I didn't word that the right way.

Just reread that I again. I butched what I was trying to say the first time ha

ok, thats cleared that one up.

The other question i have is if he had any of your $ in his account (that you hadnt asked him to send to you) when he played these tourneys? ie. did you leave him anything to play with in the period between him binking the original $8k and him sending you the profit and continuing with the stake?

how? No way thess would have covered the losses if legendus would have busted out in everything. From my point of view, it looks like legendus was playing with his own money, which thess said he had done occasionally. So him doing that was nothing out of the ordinary. Thess cannot claim the money that he won that session.


Thess, you are definitely crossing the line by posing private messages between you and me. I felt it right from the get-go that you were a huge dbag, from the very first PM...

Stop dodging questions itt Thess. It doesn't help your case, I don't think anything can at this moment.

Well I am out of this thread. gl

I'm pretty sure I posted the email in the first post where we agreed that he could continue to use the money that he could not send because of the transfer limit. If I didn't post it, I will later tonight.

To clear it up: he kept the 1K+ that he couldn't transfer, and we agreed that he could use that money to play MTTs for the stake. If he had shipped all of the money, I would have continued to ship him money for the stake-either way, I would have 100% made sure that he had the money in his account.

Edited to add: while I did ask for him to trasfer the money, I was still letting him play off the profits (which he did play and admitted too). I know that's basically the third time I've said that, but I think that most directly answers your question.

Lol dpred do you read things others post? I have said numerous times I can't reply to everything and that I know I'm missing things because I'm on my phone. And the reason I acted like such a dick to you is because I tried reaching out to you when I was told one of my horses was in debt to you and you completely ignored me. You respect me, I respect you. Simple as that.

If this is true then your case is a lot lot stronger and probably concrete. Im not saying all wins you can lay claim to, however you should work a running BR when he was playing these games to determine which games he was playing fell into the stake guidelines and which didnt. because only the first 109 would count towards this stake until he had an 11k effective BR ($9k worth of profit)

Mudstuffin, ill get those emails to you later tonight. I'm usually a lot more on top of these things as far as quicker, more in depth responses. I will have the email exchanges and a time line as far as a running bankroll hopefully tonight if I can get on a computer.

despite whats going on that is one a-hole contract u made

backers dont force horses to take deals.