I don't care, still think he doesn't owe him anything.

5:40 and no sign of him FWIW.

He is on AIM btw.

If you guys (Thess, Legundus) are going to take it to PM/Skype/AIM whatever, we don't need a play by play on here about what time it is and who's online and whether or not it's snowing yet in your city. Hash it out, only reply to this thread with significant updates.

To the rest of the community:

• Stop chiming in on this thread trolling, flaming or otherwise. I'm going to start handing out pretty significant infractions
  
• To those who have reported posts itt more than once, complaining about our response time -- I hope you realize it's a holiday weekend...
  
• Use this as a learning experience. As a backer, lay out exactly what is OK to play and what is not. As a horse, ASK! Ask whenever you are not 100% sure

The best way to avoid these types of situations as a backer is to not allow your horse to have a "separate roll" of his own. He should be playing only the games he is staked for, not some MTTs on his own dime (unless OKed with your first).

I don't have all the details here and I can't comment on the deal that Tyler has presented, but damn dude I'm surprised there wasn't a strict stipulation w/ Legundus as to be playing ONLY the games you are staking him for -- especially given what happened w/ Nate.

Meh. I know it's really easy to look back and see how poorly the deal was constructed, but there are so many quasi shady ways for people to freeroll/scam backers if they so choose. No amount of language in our almost meaningless contracts is going to cover all of them.

I've been backing 5 months and I've had guys do shady things in ways I would never have thought of, and I've been playing poker/backed for years. Every time it happens it blindsides you, and every time you think about the warning signs, but it's really hard to think like shady ass people and see it ahead of time.

The important part here is that they are communicating. I don't think there is absolutely any way that the backer is owed nothing, and probably no way he's owed the full 11.5K. Hopefully they come to a decent resolution.

Wasn't planning on posting this, but seeing as how he bailed on our third AIM meeting yesterday, did not ship the money he agreed to ship yesterday, and is currently at tables and ignoring me. Not only that, but he was playing in (and taking 3rd in for over $5K) yesterday when he was supposed to be talking to me, when i waited around for 30 minutes on aim for him ...here's our first AIM convo (2nd one in a day or two probably). Sorry for the tl;dr. Bolded are the most important things imo (first bold is just lol funny imo):

(I do get a little "snippy" at the end FWIW


[17:42] legendus: ewfregfwedas
[17:45] bnchwarmer15: hey
[17:45] legendus: Hi
[17:45] bnchwarmer15: so....?
[17:45] legendus: Yep, wondering the same
[17:46] legendus: tbh i dont feel like i need to give u money, but u knew that already
[17:46] legendus: + I dont think we are able to come with a good proposal to end this
[17:46] bnchwarmer15: you haven't even attempted to come up with a proposal lol
[17:46] legendus: indeed, cause I don't want to give ANY money
[17:47] legendus: Maybe some share In my action for like a month or so
[17:47] bnchwarmer15: lol
[17:47] legendus: but as I said, ive got my reasons for which I think u are not owed money, and I will stick to it
[17:47] bnchwarmer15: what are those reasons?
[17:48] legendus: I don't think u have the right over them. Ive named all the reasons for it. I felt i played with my own money / I had to send u a list of MTTs on forehand + Ive got the feeling u now are just trying to get the max money out of my while u already know it wont work
[17:49] legendus: sure, ive been lowsy with sending the money for the 22's + my emails
[17:49] bnchwarmer15: why wouldn't you email me if you were planning on playing on your own dime
[17:49] legendus: but that doesnt mean that i was playing those tourneys for you
[17:49] legendus: IF i had the feeling I would play those tourneys for u I wouldve emailed u for sure.
[17:49] bnchwarmer15: you see, it works the opposite way. If you were planning on not playing for me, you needed to email me and tell me that
[17:50] legendus: Thats your opinion, I've got mine
[17:50] bnchwarmer15: no...that's not opinion. That's fact. That's common courtesy. As in that's what 100% of backers should expect from their horse
[17:51] bnchwarmer15: and what's horses should do for people who they paid for the buyins of players in
[17:51] legendus: Oh well, then that's something which I didn't see as common. I've never been that well known with staking rules
[17:51] legendus: U and Nate were my only backers actually
[17:51] bnchwarmer15: its common sense
[17:51] bnchwarmer15: it has nothing to do with rules
[17:51] legendus: Well then I guess im a ******?
[17:51] legendus: lol
[17:51] legendus: w/e
[17:51] bnchwarmer15: basically, ya
[17:51] legendus: ok sure
[17:52] bnchwarmer15: with the way you handled this
[17:52] legendus: Nah
[17:52] legendus: I don't think I was the only one who handled incorrectly
[17:52] legendus: U posting my name on the forum really made me feel like not giving u anything anymore
[17:53] legendus: as i said, i DO want to work out some proposal in which u can profit aswell, but i dont feel like giving u money
[17:53] legendus: We can talk about it for 3hours straight but our opinions will both still be the same
[17:54] legendus: Uve got the ppl who understand u, Ive got the ppl who understand me.. It will always be ur word against mine and at the end the conclusion will be that u don't deserve the money due to a bad contract
[17:55] legendus: Just type what U want to say, ive got to go home now. Am at pepijn's house atm and Ill be back in 10/15mins
[17:55] legendus: I will read and react after
[17:55] legendus: and I WILL be there, i wont dissapear or w/e
[17:55] bnchwarmer15: why would you have agreed to the contreact if you knew there was a loop hole on your side in it?
[17:55] bnchwarmer15: and why the hell would you not be at a place where we could discuss this straight through lol
[17:55] legendus: because his parents are getting mad for staying here that late
[17:56] legendus: and please explain a loophole, I dont understand the word
[17:56] bnchwarmer15: something where the writing isn't concrete and theres ways to manipulate it
[17:57] legendus: I dont have any intention to manipulate you at all, but now the contract just doesnt work in your favour
[17:57] legendus: as I said, i will be gone now for 10/15min
[17:57] Meebo Message: legendus is offline
[18:05] bnchwarmer15: if you didn;t have any intention of manipulating me, then why would you just simply not email me that you know longer wanted to be staked by me when I kept emailing you? that still makes 0 sense to me
[18:07] Meebo Message: legendus is online
[18:08] legendus: Because, as I said, i did only check my email like 1 time in 2 weeks, I only use MSN/E-mail rarely
[18:08] legendus: And Again, I will indeed say that i have been lazy and inconsequent with it
[18:09] bnchwarmer15: so you were lazy for 3 months, while you still had my money, with telling me that I was no longer staking you....how is that not a freeroll?
[18:11] legendus: It simply isn't, because i ALWAYS had the feeling that i've simply played with my own money.. I def understand if ppl have the feeling i freerolled, and sure maybe i am a ****** for saying so, but i played 100% with my own money, and thats it.
[18:11] bnchwarmer15: Hey,

As I said in my previous message, my transfer limit at this point is still at 2k max in 7 days. Ive filled in the form and send it to PS, so it should be fixed soon so I can send the remaing +/- 2400$

For tomorrow, Pepijn will come to me again and we'll play again. Shall I make up a list that u need to agree on? And use money from that 2400 to play?

Shipped the 22s, now it's time for the 55s!

why would this be the last email you send me for a month then?
[18:11] legendus: What do you mean?
[18:12] legendus: Oh
[18:12] legendus: like that
[18:12] legendus: Yeah sure, but if I had the feeling i would play for you then I would've emailed you.
[18:12] bnchwarmer15: you don't seem to be following me at all
[18:14] bnchwarmer15: you said you we're playing on my money, which i allowed. I always let you play whaterver you want that fell under the buyins we had agreed on. so i was under the assumption you were playing on my dime. You could maaaaaybe make the case of the 109 not being mine, but the other 3 are so cut and dry that i should already have that money in my acciount
[18:16] legendus: Naah, not in my opinion. After I have won those 22's I knew u were always quite strict in what I could and couldnt play.. from that point on we aswell had daily contact about what i could excactly play. So I just held on to that and after those tourneys I just wanted to play some tourneys for myself ( since the contract didnt say i couldnt ).
[18:17] legendus: If i didnt win anything at all, im pretty sure that uve just emailed me with only the question where the remaining money of the 22 was, not of the losses ive made in that period
[18:18] bnchwarmer15: I wouldn't have had a leg to stand on for the other money because I told you that you could play in those tournaments!!!

2nd, I never let you play anything on you're own dime that wasn't higher than the buyin for what I was staking you for (ie when I was staking you for 22s, you could play an 11 on your dime and you know it)
[18:20] legendus: We could have this discussion for hours and u know that right? We simply have our own opinions about it and based on the leaks in the contract u dont have the right to get the money, because of the things I said. I dont want to talk about this for hours cause the result still will be the same. I came here for some sort of deal or w/e to get this sorted out.
[18:20] bnchwarmer15: if there were leaks in the contract, why didn't you say anything about them when you agreeed to it?
[18:21] legendus: Cause I didnt figure there would be any problems? And I didn't read the contract that good actually. I know u want to say that I could make abuse of a bad contract but thats not what my intention was.
[18:23] bnchwarmer15: again, it stems to the simple fact taht I NEVER recieved an email that you were done being staked by me
[18:24] legendus: and again, ive NEVER send u an email with the list of mtt's that i wanted to play for the stake.
[18:24] bnchwarmer15: you act like i knew 100% of the time every single time you played something on my dime and agreeed to it before hand, which is so far from the truth its funny
[18:25] legendus: dont understand that 100%
[18:26] bnchwarmer15: I did not agree to every table that you opened before you played them, correct?
[18:27] legendus: yes
[18:27] bnchwarmer15: this is the same thing.
[18:28] legendus: I don't get it?
[18:29] bnchwarmer15: whats to get? I did not agree to what you played every time before you played. Just like I didn't agree to everything before you played in this set
[18:30] legendus: sorry i may be stupid but i still cant really understand what u mean. Anyways, I dont have much time and I do want to settle something. Any other thought besides me shipping you money?
[18:30] bnchwarmer15: nothing will be worked out barring me getting money.
[18:31] legendus: then I guess we've got ourselves a problem
[18:31] bnchwarmer15: this isn't a ****ing game, so quit acting like it is
[18:32] legendus: lol wtf, I dont feel like its a game, but we both have got our own opinions about this
[18:32] bnchwarmer15: come up with some type of proposal for me to look at if you actually want to stop debating this. If not, prepare for me to again go to the masses of 2+2. And I will continue to prove with all of the emails that I have, all of the time lines, everything that this is my money.
[18:33] bnchwarmer15: you have a chance to make you're proposal here
[18:33] legendus: lol
[18:33] legendus: right
[18:33] bnchwarmer15: without having to go to any other lengths. We bring them in, it gets bad for the both of us time wise
[18:33] legendus: if I Do want to make you a proposal
[18:33] bnchwarmer15: and for your rep
[18:33] legendus: which isnt a 100% sure, I have to talk this over with 2 guys ive talked with. So I cant make the proposal right now
[18:34] bnchwarmer15: lol no. you've had months to come up with something
[18:34] legendus: srsly I dont give a **** about my rep if u are acting like this. U just are threatening me with this atm and Im not gonna just say i will give u money, cause I dont feel you deserve any
[18:35] legendus: I will make sure that i will be online a lot on AIM this week, but as i said, i cant make u a proposal right now.
[18:35] bnchwarmer15: At the very least, you owe me $2,360 based on the fact of the contract that if you decided to stop playing for me, you owed me half of the net, whic comes to that number
[18:35] bnchwarmer15: and that is the absolute VERY least
[18:37] legendus: I'll take that in mind. But as I said, I want to take this seriously and think of a good proposal, and to do so I need to talk to those guys. Don't tell me u need the proposal right now when uve already waited for days on it
[18:37] bnchwarmer15: THATS MY POINT!!!!!!!!
[18:37] bnchwarmer15: I've waited way to long for this **** and you keep stiffing me
[18:37] legendus: Yeah yeah, I know i have a lack of communication
[18:37] legendus: and no
[18:37] legendus: im not ''stiffing'' you
[18:38] legendus: U may have that feeling, but it's not like that really
[18:38] bnchwarmer15: WTF DO YOU CALL NOT REPLYING TO EMAILS FOR 2 MONTHS?1
[18:38] bnchwarmer15: please explain how that is
[18:38] legendus: a lack of communcation
[18:38] legendus: on my side
[18:38] legendus:
[18:38] bnchwarmer15: thats stiffing someone of money
[18:38] legendus: Not the way I see it.
[18:39] legendus: wanna argue and make me just stop communicating to you? Youve made your point. Please let me just talk to them.
[18:39] legendus: before we get in further arguments.
[18:39] bnchwarmer15: please start shipping that money now, becasue I know you'll come up with the excuse of the transfer limit again so I want to get this started...tehre's 0 way you'll end up owing me less than $2300
[18:39] bnchwarmer15: and why would you not have a proposal set up when you know im going to ask for one
[18:40] legendus: Dont force me to send that money.
[18:40] legendus: because i cant think of one ffs
[18:40] bnchwarmer15: just ship that money, it's simple. Please explain to me how in any world I do not get atleast $2300. Please.
[18:41] bnchwarmer15: if you can come up with 1 good way that you then i will not ask for it
[18:41] bnchwarmer15: *good reason
[18:43] legendus: As I said, I want to talk this over with my ''helping hands'' hey will maybe tell me aswell that I need to ship it to you, and if so, I will admit it and send it to you.
[18:44] legendus: A lot of ppl say me that I dont owe you **** because of your lowsy contract so please dont go and force me to do things cause it wont help you, really.
[18:44] bnchwarmer15: how can you not see that that is 100% airtight?
[18:44] bnchwarmer15: and the only people that say that are philios pred, borh of whom are you're friends lol
[18:44] legendus: No, those are not
[18:44] legendus: and wtf dude
[18:44] legendus: i dont know dpred at all
[18:44] legendus: Ive got him on msn
[18:44] bnchwarmer15: there is 0 possible way you do not owe me the $2300 minimum.
[18:44] legendus: and talk to him once in 3 months
[18:44] legendus: like wtf
[18:45] legendus: We'll see.
[18:45] bnchwarmer15: dude use your own head and try to think of something, there is 0 ways possible. ZERO!!!!!!!
[18:45] bnchwarmer15: im not waiting another 3 months to talk to you about this
[18:45] legendus: lol
[18:47] legendus: dont go and exxagerate (or w/e) this. I will be online tomorrow or the day after, I just want to talk to them, because i respect their opinions. and thats it.
[18:47] legendus: if i dont show up, then go ahead and give me a bad rep or w/e
[18:48] legendus: I will be there tomorrow or the day after, just as I said I would be now.
[18:48] legendus: Cause i want to get this done aswell
[18:48] bnchwarmer15: tomorrow at noon my time
[18:48] legendus: so thats 18:00 my time, correct?
[18:48] bnchwarmer15: i have 0 idea
[18:48] bnchwarmer15: i think
[18:48] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[18:49] legendus: oh and btw, it COULD be that I didnt talk to those persons, so on forehand I want to say right now that there could be a possibility that it will be tuesday.
[18:49] bnchwarmer15: jesus dude this isn't a team competition in the game you're playing. you've been holding up my money for months and it stops me from making other money.
[18:50] legendus: and no, thats not because i want to ignore u
[18:50] legendus: lol
[18:50] legendus: right
[18:50] bnchwarmer15: again, explain to me how thats not true? please
[18:50] legendus: u meant the money from the 22s? Then yes, your right.
[18:52] bnchwarmer15: ok so I'm right there...now think about what I said based on the fact taht either you dropped out of our contract (which means you owed me $2300) or you still were playing on my dime (which means you owe me over $10K). Please show how you do not owe me atleat 2300? We're not debating anything but the fact that you owe me 2300
[18:52] bnchwarmer15: at a minimum
[18:53] bnchwarmer15: this shouldn't require you needing to phone a friend
[18:53] legendus: I've never ever said that I want to drop out of the contract, but I've just never emailed u a list because I didn't play for you, I played for myself
[18:53] legendus: lol
[18:53] bnchwarmer15: please tell me you're just leveling me
[18:54] legendus: You knew I'm a ******!
[18:54] legendus: Just let me discuss it, im pretty sure the guys will say the same as u did now. I was just about to go now.
[18:56] bnchwarmer15: this is just getting rediculous
[18:56] bnchwarmer15: noon tomorrow
[18:56] bnchwarmer15: make sure you've tlaked to you're cronnies
[18:56] legendus: or tuesday but if so i will tell you tomorrow.
[19:00] legendus: Funny btw that u now want to settle for 2300 of w/e, seems like u already had a 90% feeling that u would not get any
[19:00] legendus: esp with some ppl on 2p2 saying u dont owe any + lack of contract
[19:00] legendus: w/e
[19:00] bnchwarmer15: lol no im saying that at an absolute, positive minimum of 2300 lol
[19:00] legendus: ill talk to u tomorrow
[19:01] bnchwarmer15: and that you should be sending that
[19:01] legendus: I c
[19:01] bnchwarmer15: becasue there's no way you get out with anything less


End of convo one. Basically in second once he agrees that there's no way he owes me less than the $2300 and we agreed to 4 seperate shipments within 15 days or so. payment one was supposed to come either tuesday or yesterday at the latest...obv didnt happen.


edited to add: thanks goes out to UCbannannaboy for being at a FT with him yesterday so that when i searched his name I realized he had played

OK...this clears nothing up because there is nothing said previously about the horse having to email the backer a list of tournaments...and there is nothing said about the horse being able to play on his own dime...personally i don't agree with monopolizing a horses play, if he wants to take a shot on his own dime he should be able to do it...all that needs to be stated is something like "backer covers all action $22 or less" with perhaps a volume requirement...it doesn't really need to be this complicated

that being said, i think horse is angle shooting in some way, because he agreed that he owed something but then refused to pay

sounds to me like $2300 is a good settlement amount, since both alluded to agreeing to that amount...but i think legendus should come in here and explain what he thinks he owes thess, even if it's nothing

a good lesson for this is occam's razor, the simplest solution is the best...make the contracts simple and straightforward, the less ambiguity the better, and give each party an out to end the contract...this is in all of our best interest as staking is here to stay and for some of us players that need it and some of us that want to profit off of it, every time something like this happens it makes it harder to profit for all

i didnt think the $2.3k was even up for debate?

If he wants to tell you that he was no longer playing for you then you still had $2.3k in his account that he needs to return.

If he wants to argue that he used that $2.3k to play for you, then he owes you more as he won lots of $$ with that $2.3k!?

I wanted to clear this up before I went into unrealzeals post.

The $2300 is NOT the amount that he kept in his account. That has since been paid up. The $2300 is the amount that he would get if we 100% agreed that he was playing on his own money after the two $22s scores. In the contract, it states that if legendus decides to back out of the stake at any point before the 6 month is up, that he owes 1/2 of the money won for me. He won roughly $4600 for me up until that point, which means that even if he had in fact decided he was not playing for me anymore (still very much up for debate), that he would still owe me the $2300. Kevin is now trying to say, however, that he never told me that he was done playing for me, meaning that he's still technically under the stake and that he was just taking a break from it. In my opinion, this clearly shows that he was angle shooting.

yeah i misread this then. so, when did he pay you the $2.4k that he owed you and hadnt paid you by the 1st november?

1st off, i would have to that first off this basically ended up being nothing more than a dick swinging contest where we argued about petty little things. He kept going around in circles and just kept saying that he didnt think i deserved anything...not that I was much better.

I allowed him to play on his own dime for tourneys above what I was staking him in on a semi regular casis. At the time, I had no problem with this because I think horses should be able to play things that do not fall under their contract when they want. However, Kevin and people like him have proven to me that that is a dumb idea becasue they will take advantage of you.

Another thing that needs to be added is that at no time did he ever play a tournament on his own dime that fell under the staking agreeement (ie whe it was 22s, i never allowed him to play any tournamnet on his own dime under $22s. I covered all losses and profited from the wins.




I can't agree with this here. The 2300 is NOT a settlement of the 11.5K. The 2300 is money that he would owe me if he had in fact stopped playing for me, basically meaning that I would be getting $0 of the 11.5K that he won while playing on my dime
(see above post)




agreed on the bold. At the time, I thought there was very little ambiguity. Now, looking back on it, I realized that there were some holes that I should have filled. With that being said, I think some of the bolded somments in the AIM chat show that he knew what he was doing and that he was anglesooting me without a doubt.

He finally finished paying it on the 15th of November, over 3 months after he won the intial 2 $22s.

To be honest,
when it would be my name and reputation under questioning I guess I would check and reply to this thread more often. Don't you guys think that the absent of Legendus in this thread makes him more suspected.
And I find it really hard to believe that someone who plays poker more then 3 days a week and hiting big scores does not check his emails more often. With this I mean that if you're on the computer that much, checking your emails isnt that much of an effort. And with the big scores I implicate on Legendus cashing out and due to this process checking his emails?
For instance if I would request a cashout for lets say 2k$ I would certainly check my email:
- after I requested to see if it is in process
- after the specific time the poker site claims to review your request (for instance, the 48h on full tilt).

With this being said I feel sorry for Thess as you have no juridical foot to stand on.
The only way you will ever see your 11.5k$ is if Legendus would 'read between the lines' (it's a dutch saying). It's clear that while being staked and having $$$ on your BR, and in the said time of stake (the 6 months), you are playing under the stake.

Please don't listen to some of the people who:

- Are not backers
- Are not horses
- Seem to have no idea what is going on

More stuff like this needs to be posted, too many horses wriggle out of stuff like this by doing exactly what Legendus done. I have been a victim of lazy backers not posting negative feedback. Even if your terms were not 100% watertight, I still want to know about the type of horse that will try and exploit me, he knew what he was doing was wrong.

gl thess123

ty invertible.

Going with the first part of your post, I think it's about time legendus comes out of the wood work again.

def agree with you here thess,

I'm sticking my nose in this for the good of the poker community, and i would like to say that i have played under backing arrangements where the backer tried to stake me with my own roll, saying the money i won was part of the stake, and i have also backed players, all of whom lost money for me tho none were dishonest

all of us have heard your arguments, i'd love to hear the horse's but there is a little bit of discrepency imo....ok lets say he has 2K and binks for 4K, then the current roll is not really 6K because half of the 4K is the horses, so the roll is only 4K and not 6, so any 50 he plays at that point is not under the stake, so in order to figure out exactly what he owes you, you have to subract his cut from the roll...if you do that you might come up with a different figure that you are owed...i know that's probably not how you thought you wrote the contract but there is no delineation of when you make your chops so i believe the chops would be continuous, if that makes sense

doing that, what would be the new total?

I definitely think this guy is scamming you but i also think you are inadvertantly free-rolling him...i def don't think you are dishonest, i just think that you are sort of overstepping here even tho you don't realize it...you did not really have any provision for him playing on his own if the roll didn't cover the stakes, so if you can figure out exactly what the roll was for each tourney that would be agood start

The first time through, I did make sure to not count the horses money in my numbers. However, I just went through for a 5th time and realized I was off by about $800 and short of the necessary funds to stake him for the $109s. Thanks for making me check that agian zeal. The new amount is (roughly) 6.5K. I will have to take out all of the buyins that I no longer would have to pay, as well. Probably about 2-3K more based on looking through them quckly. I will try to get an accurate number as soon as possible.

However, I would still like to see a playing audit from him. He had 2 FT and very easily could have made a deal at some point that would cover the extra $800. So far, he has refused that request. Wonder what that tells me :/

yeah actually that figure seems very close to correct as the contract is written

...not that you are gonna see your money but i think if the forum could help you audit this at least we will know what, if any, he scammed you for...i really hope he honors whatever committment he made to you and if not explain his reasoning, i and everyone else have unbiased ears, hopefully this will be resolved...

good luck

ty zeal

If anyone could help me find these players, it would be greatly appreciated. Tehy were all in the top 5 in the $55 that legendus took 4th in:
lofreitas
deadnutz
trontrontron
zp13121953

I will look them up after i finish posting this but I would like to talk to them about any deal that was made.

Also, I think we can all agree here that if legendus comes into this thread/signs onto AIM and handles this appropriately and comes to a good, fair deal based on everything, that his reputation WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL. I do not see any reason that that should be a problem.

Just talked to the player who took 3rd. He says that the numbers that he has marked down match up with OPRs numbers, so he believes there was no deal. Barring something coming up when I go through the numbers again tomorrow to get an exact number, it looks like what I'm looking to get from him now is 6.5K+ the money I had taken out for buyins assuming he was staked for 109s.

The only problem is, you won't get it!

keep being a clown.


it really makes other backers like you more!!!

Enough with the warnings, bans are going to start getting handed out if this continues.

If there is nothing left to be done in this thread, then what is the point of keeping this open?

the only time he talks is if he sees something in this thread

Thess,

I'm really sorry this happened. It's clear to me that Legendus found a loop-hole and took advantage of the situation. I think there are a few open questions and it would be difficult for you to expect 50% of profits, but it's also clear that he owes you money. I really hope that he does the right thing and pays you.

I am curious; as a backing community would players accept more standardized 'contracts'/player agreements? The application would obviously differ, but part of the problem here is that language was not clear.