Why wasn't this reported in the feedback thread. If a horse is reporting profit less than sharkscope indicates and then refuses to allow a audit, thats pretty much rolling in my book (I'm presuming thats what happened).

Don't assume that Invertible. I am simply asking OP why he refuses audits as a horse if he has nothing scummy to hide.

I was willing to simply retract my offer and walk away from this thread, before MF decided to try to defend himself for my reasons behind why I chose not to even consider him for staking. I completely forgot who he was when I initially read the OP and offered a staking opportunity (my bad, I guess I am lazy).

I don't even know why he is talking about remote access, although I am currently wondering if remote access has more power than Captain Planet, cuz Captain Planet harnesses the power of 5 rings, which is pretty damn powerful imo.

LOL

That's why I don't do the forum thing. I have no problem speaking my mind, and I don't really mind if people get offended. With that said that's not my intention sometimes it just happens that I come off as abrasive.

And that wasn't an example he was listing with the sharkscope thing earlier (or it shouldn't have been)...I think he was trying to illustrate a point? My thing is that the person he is apparently friends with whom I worked with already has all the answers for him. He could have had him come on here and refute anything that's been said if it were false or to offer any differing details. I see the old backer signed on skype right now. He may have even been directed here to read this I'm not sure. Myself and the backer both were in agreement that I did nothing wrong and while he obviously wanted to get on my account he understood that he made the mistake of not mentioning this during or before the signing of the contract. It wasn't until we were splitting for good that it even got brought up. I wouldn't have signed with him had the remote access been a requirement. And he knows this.

I also went into the nitty grittys with him about why it was an issue as I have talked about it with every single backer that I've spoken with in this run of getting backed. My account is in my name, no money was taken (or has ever been taken from a backer) and no rules of the stake were broken. Both sides were in agreement on this. That's why it's kinda hilarious it's getting brought up now by someone whom wasn't even involved in the process who apparently doesnt even know the details of what he claims to know?

And why am I upset/agitated? Because I didn't have to share any of this, I volunteered the information. I may have gave some attitude while doing so because I felt like I was being attacked but nonetheless it's pretty ridiculous.

I was illustrating a point.

He has either not read everything or is choosing not to be dragged in at this time. Whatever, I don't know, nor do I care at this point since he's no longer associated with you.

I'm not either, so I'll chime out for now.

Again, good luck with your stake. Sounds like you have a lot of options.

Also the info he was asking about is out there in public domain for the people who are really interested in searching for it. It's really so trivial which is why this whole thing is so frustrating. When I say it's a privacy issue that's really all it is. Take that for what you may.

Hate to say it, but when you apply to a stake generally it's implicit that you give up certain rights of privacy regarding personal information with your backer.

Alright, I feel the need to respond. I should have written something before...

So the problems I had with Michael were as follows...

The amount we chopped and the numbers his sharkscope was saying were different. So I asked to see his account and do an audit. (Which is standard, esp since pw's can't be given anymore) He refused, over and over again. Mainly saying he didn't give me permission to do such and he wouldn't have agreed to the stake in the first place. I don't remember if we talked about it before the stake tbh...I might have forgot to bring it up, totally possible.
Regarding my audits, I do not ask for password access or remote access to his computer. I simply ask that he shows me his account details through a screen sharing software so that we can figure out any discrepancies between what he says and Sharkscope or OPR reports.

Anyways, so I kind of made a compromise with him. He was to get his profit numbers and ko numbers from FTP and then we would do it that way. He agreed to that and then he never signed back onto skype again until today (aug 24th to today lol) So presumably I was blocked. I'm going to assume it was bc he had a roll now and didn't care about me or the staking world (which he has already told me)...but now he needs a stake again, unblocks me and sends me a message today.

As an aside, I wouldn't stake him again.. regardless of the lack of audits. He is probably the most un-professional person I've ever staked (at the tables too) and completely full of himself. I told him I was getting out of staking, just so I could drop him and not have to deal with him. Probably the same reason I never bothered to do a write-up about him in the negative feedback thread. I just don't want to deal with him writing me a novel on skype or in pm's etc...which is not a valid excuse on my part

That said, he can still beat 26 ko's and under and is well written.

Apologize for not getting this out there earlier

I never ever blocked him. I don't use skype because I like aim better. The only time I use it is when dealing with a backer who primarily uses it. I am still open to taking a screenshot and showing Tyler what he wants to see but that wasn't good enough back then and probably still isn't today. He wanted to use this software called Mik O Go - http://www.mikogo.com/. Explained to him and everyone else I will not use a remote access program. I'm old school.

I have worked with some of the biggest backers in the industry and learned from some of the best players to ever play online poker. I have never had a problem and never done anything to create doubt in my profitability or my trustworthiness. All of these people are readily accessible to speak with and that should be more than enough for any backer in this day and age. The fact remote access programs are now apparently the norm in the backing world is absolutely ridiculous. It's not my fault that Tyler misunderstood how kos factored into stats. He stated several times that there was "atleast several thousand dollars" missing which was absolute bs. When you make maddening and ludicrous comments like that, you're right I'm not going to speak to you if I don't have any need to do so. And you say I'm full of myself? Any other backer I've been with would have to disagree with that statement. Passionate about the game and winning; yes. Full of myself? Hell no. I'm about as easy going as they come until provoked. Kinda can see an example of that in this thread.

The biggest issue with whether you are a horse worth staking or not is the way you handle yourself, whether it be at the tables, in this thread, or in any situation where you may be faced with adversity.

You basically decide how you want things to be run, and if something is not handled the way you want it to be handled, you call it you being provoked, then begin to act like a child.

You still choose to hide what reasons you need to hide whatever you're hiding and continue to assume everything you say is right and past backers (or future potential backers) have to just accept it or deal with an immature horse.

I sure you can make a buck or two playing the games you're looking to play, but the way you handle yourself really should be factored in to the value of staking you, period.

It's your way or the highway it seems, and not many backing arrangements work successfully this way. But who knows, you seem to know how to make these things work... for a short period of time... before moving to the next backer.

I thought you were done in this thread? Trying to start things back up again huh? My confidence may come off as cockiness but that's not intended. And I am hardly immature. Quite the contrary actually.

To an extent it is my way or the highway. This is a business. I've been doing this for almost 7 years now and even when I was on a huge horrible downer was still making money. I don't have to take a deal someone pushes on me where I don't feel comfortable. I've set things up to where it's impossible for me not to make money from poker even if I were broke at any given time. Protecting my clientele is always my number 1 focus because theoretically the ev from them outweighs the ev of any future backing arrangements. Some of the people that pay me play decently high stakes and yes they are profitable without me. I've told them I will not allow their names to come out and won't take a backing deal if it's dependent on potentially exposing who they are. If they were to be exposed maybe they don't use me anymore - they certainly have no need to. I have my own money but I'd rather make more with zero risk than deal with the emotional turmoil of using my own funds. I'd rather continue to invest in business opportunities outside of poker where things aren't quite as swingy.

If I had 200k profit on my opr/ss I'd be treated differently than I am. People talk to me like I'm some low stakes donk when I've made more money from this game than a lot of the people that I've spoken to about backing arrangements. So **** yes I have a huge chip on my shoulder. Yeah I'm probably better than 99% of the people who play, even professionally. I can thank the people who taught me the game for that. If only everyone were so lucky to learn from some of the very best. So I've been around success and excellence ever since I got into poker. Naturally that is what I have started to become. My opr may not show it, my sharkscope may not show it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

AZN, please stop beating the dead horse, what do you want from me? You've left this thread three times...

Fwiw, you could be up 1 million on OPR/SS and I'm sure the majority of readers would still see how immature you are acting about this whole ordeal. No one is treating you any differently than anyone else.

Let's recap:

1) It's your way or the highway.

2) You care about your EV in a staking arrangement, and not nearly as much as you care about the EV of the staking arrangement as a whole for any backer who has to just close his eyes and trust you.

3) You have a lot of backers in the past who can all be references for you. None of them have said anything in this thread, but of course, they need to be hidden as well for their protection.

4) You don't need to explain why it is so critical that nothing in your FTP account is revealed publicly.

5) You are better than 99% of people who play.

6) You are not immature.


Interesting. Everything you have said makes sense. I believe it in good faith now. Or not.

You do make one big point though, I'm beating a dead horse. Sorry.

I've earned the trust I've been given over many years. That situation with Tyler that you brought up was the only thing that has ever come up in 5 years of being backed and 7 years in the community (and obviously I can't be blamed for his lack of foresight when laying out and agreeing to the terms of the deal). The backers I've had didn't read the 2+2 forums looking for horses they only needed word of mouth, and some of them have made enough money to retire before they turned 25. If a potential backer wants to speak to them they can do so on facebook. And yes, it doesn't really make sense referencing them here in this thread. Clients as well as my past backers I'm sure appreciate the need for discretion at all times.

lol

BOOM roasted. GL MF...and I aint talkin about your real name

If they back you, will you change your relationship status to "Its complicated"?

I'm just saying, if they're gonna talk to you on facebook you should make it facebook official

You started out well, but are basically even over the last 1300 or so tourneys.

And holy variance, Batman!

Those are 90 man sngs not tourneys. And yes they have lots of variance...a stable sample is around 10k games for them.

Mods go ahead and close this got everything taken care of and ready to start with my new backers.

why even post if your gunna be a d bag? you had no intentions of staking so stfu

Dealer: Miam_motw folds
Dealer: No Name Fame folds
Dealer: Pizzaman95 folds
Dealer: artisti20 folds
Dealer: Rendle folds
Dealer: Epiphany86 raises to 78
Dealer: shel-msc has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: shel-msc calls 78
Dealer: grandeKAKA88 folds
Dealer: luv2plshim folds
Dealer: The flop is [8h As 9d]
Dealer: Epiphany86 bets 128
Dealer: shel-msc calls 128
Dealer: The turn is [7d]
Dealer: Epiphany86 bets 239
Dealer: shel-msc calls 239
Dealer: The river is [4d]
Dealer: Epiphany86 checks
Dealer: shel-msc bets 935
Dealer: Epiphany86 calls 935
Dealer: shel-msc shows a flush, Ten high
Dealer: Epiphany86 mucks
Dealer: shel-msc wins the pot (2,805) with a flush, Ten high
Dealer: Hand #26376244680
Dealer: luv2plshim posts the small blind of 15
Dealer: Miam_motw posts the big blind of 30
Dealer: You have been dealt [8s 4s]
Epiphany86: die of aids idiot
Dealer: No Name Fame folds
Dealer: Pizzaman95 folds
Dealer: artisti20 folds
Epiphany86: fold the flop &&%%&% mother !!%#er

cool story bro, seems like your head's on straight