Note: See post #25 for sort-of Cliffs on this. OP, at least 2/3rds of this is unnecessary color commentary, so I tried to pull out the facts you're giving from the chatter. If you see something misunderstood I will correct. - Le Gonso


There have been some accusations and lies posted about me in the last day in the negative feedback thread. I had a falling out with a staking situation and now as the classy businessman (/sarcasm) that he is will do anything to try and ruin my reputation. I didn't want to respond inside the negative feedback thread as it's already cluttered enough and I feel that these events and facts need to be brought out in a much more prominently viewed setting. I'm creating this thread so that in the future I will be able to link people here that have any questions in regards to any of these things. Thus I will be answering about all of the accusations that have been brought up here. Not only will I post about all of the recent accusations but will briefly post about things that have occurred in the past so as to have everything in one place. I will let people decide for themselves whats right and wrong. As of now I plan on making this an official statement and then twill be moving on and getting back to my grind. If the need arises for me to verify or explain something important I will be more than willing to do so. However I will not respond to troll posts nor people trying to stir the pot for entertainment value. This is my job and thus I feel a need to stand up for myself instead of letting this go any longer. I take these accusations seriously and refuse to be slandered by some moron kid.

Let me first start out by saying that I am not a fan of forums for this very reason. I am extremely busy right now in the middle of moving while also continuing to grind. On top of that I am running one operation and starting another business from the ground up. Also I happen to be going through some insanely ridiculous variance right now and the timing of this is absolutely hilarious. Such is life. This is going to take a pretty big amount of time from me to properly explain and disprove these accusations and I am willing to do so but you have to realize I have a life and am very busy and thus won't be at the computer pushing refresh every two seconds. If there are questions posted that need to be answered I will answer them as soon as I have the chance. In the past this would be guaranteed to turn into a flame war but I am not going to involve myself in that this time around. With that said I have been a member of the poker community throughout many 'drama bombs' and have always felt it is in the best interest of the person being accused to answer as promptly and honestly as possible. So without further ado here we go.

1 - Having More Than One Account -

I have never cheated or colluded by any means. I do have several different sn's. FTP has been aware of this for some amount of time as you can see as far back as when I got into it with Gank and he tried to use all of his power to get me banned. I have been honest at every point with backers, ftp support, my students and anyone else with a vested interest in the situation. I'm not really sure there is a need to explain too far into this as it is pretty self explanatory. Anyone that has ever played backed for a significant amount of time can attest to the need to have a second account to keep personal funds separate from backers. I coach people and have several deals with other players in part of another operation so I need somewhere to keep my own money separate from my backers. Historically I have also played cash games from time to time on the other account in off peak hours. I first created the 2nd account after being hacked back in 2007 and losing a significant amount of money. Upon this happening it was very apparent to me that things weren't quite as safe in the online poker arena as I originally had come to understand. This is also why I have played backed for a good portion of my career despite being adequately rolled to play for myself. I just don't feel like my money is truly safe. I have no idea how people and large backing contingents can feel comfortable having hundreds of thousands and millions tied up in online accounts. So I started getting backed. It allows me to have a risk of ruin of 0 and still make good money so that I continue to build my roll without the possibility of suffering losses. I have gone through unimaginable variance in my time in the game and while everyone thinks they have; what I've gone through is truly something unique. Apparently I am one of the very few unlucky people who get to be a negative statistical outlier. Not fun in the least let me tell you. I have never played multiple accounts in the same tournament and despise any people who have. The other account referenced; "DJ Fitt" is my brothers. Because of ftps rules on multiple accounts I didn't want to register DJ Fitt under my own name as I already had an account. I knew from the past that they would close the account and send the balance back to the original account. So I asked my brother if he would be willing to make an account so that I could reserve my DJ name for promotional purposes. That is all there is to this. It's not some crazy web of deception rather it's extremely straight forward and logical. It is my brothers account not my own. Nothing illegal here. Non issue. On to addressing the next item.

2 - My reputation -

Because this situation with BigNate904 is a classic case of he said she said it is always very important to note who the two sides in a conflict are. I have worked very hard to earn a sterling rep working for some very high profile backing groups in years past. I also ran a staking site with a friend called 'Premier Staking'. Lately there have been a few issues with my backers and I have been led to believe that the bulk of that can be attributed to the difference between the Mid/HS MTT staking world and the SNG staking world. For one the SNG staking community is much less personal and much more rigid. This is due to the fact that there is much less risk to SNG staking and thus much less of an application/approval process. I have played for going on 7 years now. Most of my profits have been made in cash but I have made significant amounts of money in all game forms. For several years I was one of the best players in the mid stakes plo games. I have made lifetime profits of over 350k+. So for the people coming in here to say losing player blahblahblah do your research. I am an extreme competitor and am constantly analyzing my game. The allegations laid against me by BigNate904 in the negative feedback thread are almost completely fabricated. There is very little truth to them and they have been twisted and mis-quoted in a major way (intentionally imo). There were also some statements made about being banned on a few different forums. I don't have any other forum accounts aside from this one. I have already professed a hate for forums and try to stay away from them at all costs.



3 - Big Nate backing deal -

I recently posted an ad on here looking for a new backer. I received a good amount of interest as it was asking to play stakes I have crushed for quite some time. I worked out a deal with one party to start a stake but it was pending me ok'ing using a remote access tool for account audits. I was not ok with this so the deal broke down and we went our separate ways. BigNate904 was another one of the backers that PM'd me in response to my ad so I started speaking with him about a deal. I had played many games with him in the 90 man sngs so I was familiar with him. I was never impressed with his game but I was looking for a backer I felt I couldn't/shouldn't be greedy about searching for a perfect backer. So I tried to make it work. I negotiated a very fair and above average deal. This is when I first started realizing that there were the seeds for future problems to occur. Nate tried lying to me several times about what were "standard staking rates" during our negotiation of the contract. Obviously having done this for quite some time I'd been around the block already and called him out on this. He backed off and we soon came to agreement on a contract. He sent a fb message to my past backer (one of my refs) and didn't hear from him for two days. I asked if there was a way we could expedite the process since my old backer was deep in a wpt and unavailable. He said since he had played a good amount of games with me and I had a good record that he would start me without speaking with my reference. He asked me to send him a few HH so that he could make sure I was +ev and so I used the ftp tool in my promotions to gather a few for him. He went through them and ok'd the stake to start. I then went on to profit the next 8 weeks straight despite some pretty crazy run bad throughout. Everything was going well when we hit another more insane wall of variance. I had been regularly grinding and putting in as much time as I had available and it was never enough for Nate. He said it was unacceptable for a grinder to play <600 games a month and that I was a "pussy bitch if you can't do 1k". I explained that the 90 man sngs don't run as often these days especially with the time zone I'm in. Anyways I was on a 2k downer playing the 26s and 13s and went to Nate for a re-fill. A lame downswing but not out of the ordinary at all. He went off on me saying that I was now a losing player and that these weren't normal swings. I cited specific examples of better players than himself with more winnings/volume in these games going on much larger swings and he attempted to discredit them. He backed off his stance that they weren't possible after a period of time. At no point was I very comfortable with Nate as my backer as he was extremely unprofessional and either keeps horrible records or no records at all. His patented excuse for all of this is that he moved from Florida to Vegas and the records are all on his other computer back in Florida. Which is funny because when we were going over the contract before he ended the stake he asked me to send it to him because he didn't even have a copy for himself. Aside from his inexperience and unprofessional attitude I was also part of a fund. This was not communicated to me at the outset of the deal and I didn't find out until a few weeks in. I know how funds work and too much of it depends on the managing ability of the manager. Being that I was never impressed with Nate's intelligence and certainly not his ability to manage a group of people I decided to stand up to him. Previously whenever he would go on ego diatribes I would withold my true opinion as I tried to keep a professional attitude between the two of us despite the fact I lost more and more respect for him as the days went on. There were several threads in here that made me realize he was a clown and someone I shouldn't be associated with. Being that I have never heavily embedded myself in the poker world I didn't know enough about his history prior to signing the contract.

Eventually however the relationship became even more strained and I spoke up. He gave me the refill and when asked about mtts he told me the offer to play them was no longer on the table while I was downswinging.. I hadn't even been playing them because I'd been short on time and focusing on the 90s. I told him I wanted to start playing them now as I was 2k in makeup and now had more reason to play the higher value games; even if they are higher variance. I wouldn't have given him my 90 man action if not for him saying he would take my mtt action. I told him that the contract we signed had stated that I could play all tournaments 26 and under so long as I was continuing to grind the 90s at a significant rate. At first he said no but then I threatened to end the deal if he didn't hold true to the contract. A huge argument broke out and in a tilting fit after a session of something like 8 10th place finishes I was sick of dealing with him and told him I wasn't going to send the HH. He had already seen three separate hh at the beginning of the stake and so he was not understanding why I hesitated to send them to him. I did this because I explained that I was already going through my game with a fine tooth comb and that he should be able to trust me based on my results and history to handle my business when I'm going through a downer. With no level of trust or personal relationship I wanted nothing to do with him or his fun. (Who puts a lifetime losing player who has been around for <2 years in charge of a fund in the first place?) I told him it was wrong for him to try and hold me accountable for him not ever following up with my references. He didn't even put in a minimal effort to contact them.

His stable is typically full of 3 and 6 dollar 90 man players. He told me this and said that there was one other person in the fund playing the level I was. He also said there was 5k alotted to me in the fund. When we originally signed the deal he had said there was the potential to play up to the high stakes once I worked my way back up there but he since recanted this. Personally I think he took on a bigger stake investing in the fund and didn't want to risk the higher variance with his own money in play. He goes off about how he has never seen a reg go on a 100 bi downswing and that based on my finishing splits I'm not restealing enough (lol). Didn't have a single piece of information to support that theory but he claimed it no less. He knows I have a very stringent method of study and analysis. He also knows I post every single hand of interest in my poker hand for review purposes. He never even looked at them. He lied and said I was trying to raise the buy in level which is fabricated. So I decided enough was enough and that I was going to force the deal to end. I sent him his money back during the heated argument as he was calling me a scammer and I wasn't going to have that. It's like he wanted me to steal from him. Was really strange. So I sent him the money back and said he could take a few days to think about it but that he either needed to drop me from the stake or figure something else out. He came back to me a few days later and told me I owed him the full balance of the makeup LOL!! This guy is delusional and he thinks that he can force me as a horse to pay back the makeup. It was a stake not a loan. He doesn't know how this works. He stopped backing so therefore he eats the makeup. I told him I would keep playing until I got back to zero for him then call it quits and go our separate ways. I'm sorry he has a different understanding of the business than I do. Also when he made heinous claims about statements I supposedly made I told him to produce the proof of said statements and he proudly projected that he didn't need to prove anything to me that he doesn't have time to do that. What do you all think about this? Was the situation handled correctly or no? Can you people please explain to him that I owe him nothing because he dropped me. On top of all this going on he told me he is only posting this because he had a horse get 2nd in a mini ftops for like 50k so he doesn't even care about the money. He is clearly just trying to soil my reputation to get back at me.

4 - SS-TP Backing Situation -

I explained it earlier in a thread but here is what happened..

The backer Tyler later came in and tried to save face to some extent despite the fact he knew he didn't have me sign a contract alluding to me being ok with remote access and also that he didn't even bring it up when going over the deal. I tried to provide a less invasive method of auditing my account and he declined. He also conveniently "forgot" if we spoke about remote access or audits up front or not when in fact the conversation was never brought up until I was trying to leave.

I handled myself a little immaturely in that thread and with Tyler but I was pretty upset that random nobodies were levying claims and accusations when I hadn't even met them before lol. Obviously I explained well enough in that thread that future backers were not deterred from contacting me. Here is the link to that if you want to read more into it. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...r-made-925376/

5 - OOTP Leagues & Cheating Accusations -

There have been many old old OLLLLLDD links (stuff from like 2003 when I was 14-15) posted when I was accused of cheating in an online baseball sim league. Nonetheless I handled myself extremely poorly at that age and was constantly talking **** with people and starting fights. On several instances people would make statements claiming them as quotes from me and then spreading them viral throughout the forums. It was 8 years ago and even with that said most of everything that was accused was proven to be false. Some people however didn't like the answers that were given and I developed a flock of haters. I egged them on for quite some time. They got especially mad when I professed I was the best GM in the game. My reputation was black marked but I was given another shot by one of the most prestigious leagues around at the time; the MBBA. I'm sure the commish brought me in to be the laughing stock of the league and to increase owner participation in the forums but I took the challenge of restoring my reputation very seriously. It took me only two seasons to turn a perrenial loser into world series champs coming through the wild card. I once again handled myself very badly on the forums especially after winning the world series. I was constantly making fun of people and eventually they got sick of all of the distractions on the forums and we went our separate ways. What can I say I was 15 I wanted to rub it in lol. I don't play OOTP any longer due to a lack of time but I greatly enjoyed doing so in my middle school and high school years and have some great memories from some really good leagues. I am still an avid sports fan and regularly compete in yahoo pay leagues for fantasy sports.

I hope that getting this all in one place will stop some of the problems with these losers trying to twist things to their own personal benefit. I take this all seriously as poker is my job and like anyone who takes their job seriously I think it was important to put up a response to the allegations in an organized manner.

As far as the main reason for posting this I would like to seek some level of reprimand on BigNate904 for the way in which he has acted throughout this process. Can someone tell me of the proper place for stakees to file information on backers similar to how he did about me in the negative feedback thread? I think it's only fair that people see some of these quotes he has blasted me with and how he talks about his horses and "students". If they are supporting him in the first place I highly doubt he would continue to fool people into paying him for coaching if people knew a little bit more about this guy and how he handles his business. Extremely shady would be a giant understatement and king of douchebags is a title he has locked up all by himself. If I need to answer anything further post any questions in here. I will accept nothing less than having this FULLY cleared from my record and making sure BigNate isn't allowed to continue to post untrue accusations like this about others in the future.

-Michael

bignate904, ladies and gentlemen...

First off, I have personally gone back thru this guys hostory after I saw his most recent backer claim irregularities in the stake being run, and money owed. Them, I noticed in a second thread another staker had reluctantly come forward to say he believed MF6 had underreported the stake bankroll by thousands of dollars and refused to do an audit. Mind you, this is after MF6 stated in a thread he created to ask for stakes (when people asked about his secret backers), if any backers had a problem with him they would have come forward and complained, and none had. Then poof, here was backer to say he had potentially had thousands of dollars stolen and MF6 was unwilling to work with him. I do not know this guy, I have nothing against him, I am only telling you what I have read and come to believe.

But you play on it and claim it as your own to others. Regardless of what ID you used to get around having more than one account.

You know MF6, all this stuff would not be coming back to light if you did not try and rip off stakers for thousands of dollars. It is not tough. If you take money from stakers, your OPR shows you are up thousands more than you claim, then they are gonna come back and ask you to account for the money. If a staker requires HHs and you do not send them, then he wants his money back, you need to send it. Simple as that.

Until you try to honestly straighten out your problems with both stakers, no amount of BS, windheaving, doubletalk, long declarations of persecution, are gonna save you in this community. So, get in contact with both stakers, come to an honest solution with both, and since you keep telling us how much money you have, if it is found you OWE them money, you should have plenty to pay them.

BTW here is list of accounts he has used that I could find atm for PS and FTP.
Epiphany86/DJ FITT/89OfSpades/89OfSpadesMF/mfitterer1/Epiphany1986

unfortunately i couldn't make it past here in this novel of a post. i decided i wasn't going to believe anything you said anyway. don't see any possible justification for not letting a backer see what you are up to with their money

At a minimum, I could be somewhat understanding if he offered the FTP Audit, which they provide players and can be shown to backers.

Bignate seemed to indicate in his post that there was an agreement that you would send all HH at bignate's request. Is this correct? It seems that you are decided it was unreasonable, but I am wondering what the contract is about.

Also, it doesn't mean much if you say it is your brother's account and yet, you play on it.

I read thru a lot of it....NOT TRUE. In fact, 5 years after he was banned from that forum (2 names banned), they started up a thread about him and linked like 8 classic threads from this guy. They call him a cheater to this day.

How many more backing situations do you want to end in a sour manner before you start to think maybe you're the reason they are ending like this? Please don't drag SS-TP into your next backing debacle.

By the way, you need to have a good reputation to have to worry about it being ruined.

Pretty much this. AUDITS DON'T FIND ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.

This is now the second instance where OP has chosen to dictate how much transparency he wants between the backer and himself. He is already banned on multiple other staking sites.

I know I know, Michael Fitterer is the second coming of Jesus Christ, let's not crucify him again. But in all seriousness why is this guy still marketplace approved?

Thanks for the introduction however we all know that wasn't necessary. Let's get to it. ok seriously

I think this is pretty simple. If you go to the negative feedback thread you will see multiple cases of him pulling this. He's completely Lying about conversations that took place. To the point he needs to re-read all of our convo's and try again.

I don't really think this is going to take much to let everyone know how much of a pos this kid really is.

We had an agreement. One of the clauses in the agreement were he send me any HH I requested. This is a copy of the contract I don't have. ()
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This is a staking arrangement between Micheal Fitterer (Epiphany86) FTP and Nathan Grow.
For this agreement we will refer to Micheal as "Player" and Nathan as "Backer"

Player agrees to play exclusively for Backer and will not play any games not included in the stake. (violated)

The stake will primarily focus on 90 man SNG on FTP with a mix of MTT's up to 26$. (Anything higher must have backers
Player is expected to play 600 games per month unless unforeseen circumstances pop up) (Violated)

Backer expects agreement to run until 20k profit and player sends backer 10k or more. (As long as no life unexpectancys occur)
The deal is a 50/50 split with make up and stakeback.
Horse agrees to not end the deal in make up unless he pays the balanced owed. (Violated)

Every week player will submit screen shots of his cashier as well as his past transactions (Past transaction of money received names may be blacked out). This is due every Sunday after the player plays a session or before Monday' session. If player doesn't play on Monday it will be sent on Sunday night. (Never did he do this on time. I always had to ask him for it)
This also includes sending any profit owed to backer. (If player makes 2k profit or more in any given week we will split profit before Sunday).
Example. Player hits a 5k score on Tuesday. We will split 2500/2500 on Tuesday. Player then has 900$ profit on Sunday. We split 450/450/
Player also agrees to fill out the financial sheet which can be located on www.bignate904.com. A written copy of all the info required sent to email is acceptable.

Player agrees to send backer any hand history's at backers request. (Violated)

Player keeps all rakeback.
Agreement starts on the day backer transfers money to players account.

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I guess this pretty much sums it up. We agree to a deal. He doesn't follow the terms (Which you can see he admits). So when he told me he wouldn't send the HH I told him he had to choose. Either end the deal and pay off the balance or send me a HH and keep playing. He choose to end the deal and pay off the balance. His choice not mine. I just wanted him to follow the deal as outlined.

He mentioned he didn't have the money to do so atm. I told him I was willing to work with him just give me a payment plan. Even if it's 20$/week. That if he couldn't afford it I'd work with him. He went on and on how he screwed some bank over and couldn't get a new one until the first of the year. So I suggest he starts paying it back with the money he makes from ghosting or w/e he's saying he does. He never would agree to anything besides "I'll pay you back when I can"

If I knew he didn't plan on keeping to this agreement I wouldn't of send him a 1$. I was scammed/conned/tricked into a deal he never intended to hold true to.

Most of the accusations he claims are false. I briefly skimmed. Don't have time to read the wonderful world of Mr.Fittererr. **** its fitterrrer. GD it w/e. He will tell me one thing in Skype chat then a few days later he will claim he never said it.

I think I do tons of backing. Transfers large amounts of money all the time. Do swaps/Hold contest/Have a 99.9% successful stable. (MF6 just took my perfect away but good thing he's small) I can have however many people it takes to come and discredit what this fraud has claimed. He has no clue how professional backing is conducted. I never asked for more then 10 minutes of his time a week. Just to take screen shots and send transfers. Which he knew he would be expected to do before the deal started.

Appreciate everyone's response. If I'm in the wrong here let me know. I'm pretty sure I've done everything I could think of so this didn't happen. He was totally uncooperative in every attempt.

If there was anything important/worth taking the time to read in his response let me know and I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.

Now just for ****s n giggles.

[1:38:02 AM] Michael Fitterer: lol gl gettin any money from me ever
[1:38:03 AM] Michael Fitterer: I warned you
[1:38:06 AM] Nathan Grow: duh
[1:38:21 AM] Michael Fitterer: dont ever contact me again time to let the hounds out
[1:38:37 AM] Nathan Grow: just dont do anything stupid bro
[1:38:41 AM] Nathan Grow: should i call someone?
[1:38:42 AM] Nathan Grow: ur mom
[1:38:43 AM] Nathan Grow: dad
[1:38:47 AM] Nathan Grow: anyone care about you
[1:38:57 AM] Nathan Grow: worried u might blow ur head off or something
[1:39:01 AM] Michael Fitterer: ?????
[1:39:13 AM] Michael Fitterer: Lol I wont tell you what I'll do
[1:39:33 AM] Michael Fitterer: But just know that if I really wanted there are several people that owe me their life
[1:39:40 AM] Michael Fitterer: and for about 1k I could have them kill you

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...r-made-925376/

Thread title: **CLOSED**Looking For A Stake (Easiest Money You've Ever Made)


so............bignate, was this the easiest money you've ever made?


And that chat fits his personality pretty spot on. Pretty ridiculous.

Wow. So he violates the contract then threatens someone's life? Michael Fitterer, thief and scumbag indeed.

First and foremost, I doubt SS-TP needs to do anything to save face. He has successfully been running and maintaining a sizable stable for years now and you are one of very few people that have been a thorn in his business.

He, like any other backer, wants to do audits to make sure his $ is being used properly. No, he never needs remote access. I back upwards of 30 people and I do the same thing. I audit without needing remote access, as long as you're not stupid enough to not know how to open your accounts and show me what I'm asking to see quickly. If you don't have anything shady to hide, backers don't find anything. Is this hard to understand?

What exactly was your less invasive method of auditing your account? You tell him "hey I self-audited and it's all nice and pretty so we're good" and that's it?

Who gives a **** if he remembers everything discussed at the start of the stake. Something as implicit as auditing when someone else's money is funding your grind doesn't take much more than 6th grade common sense to realize.

WRT your statement "I handled myself a little immaturely in that thread", the only inaccuracy in that statement is that you handled yourself ridiculously immaturely, unprofessionally, and quite frankly spoke with an egotistical "I don't give a **** about anyone except myself" attitude.

And yes, please read that thread in its entirety.


By the way, please don't kill me like you're threatening to kill Bignate. TBH, $1,000 can be used in better ways, you know, like playing poker.

Hey as long as he owes me I'll never die broke.

amirite?

Luckily for me he doesn't have 1k or else I'd be worried I might not be alive to finish watching the 15th installment of the micheal fittitetter show.

I'll set the O/U on the Fitttereerrrr response to 8 paragraphs and I'm booking the over. And at least 3 comments how everyone on these boards is a complete ******.

Oh the irony...

I Lol'd he's not willing to pay you back but willing to pay people to kill you ROFL

FWIW i have plenty of transaction history screen shots of his account. If that would help. To help prove the multi account.

The screenshot of the chat above that you posted where Michael threatens you is worth posting alone, imo.

this thread is gonna turn into pure gold

Hahahahahahahaha, so hilarious.

Just got done re-reading the entire chat log between Nate and I. Am absolutely exhausted right now. About to go to sleep and when I wake up I will post answers to several questions and clear some things up for everyone.

Just an fyi but everyone needs to understand Nate is not saying I stole from him. So the posts in other threads about me being a scammer and thief are complete bull**** and need to stop. What is on debate here is how to properly handle a situation of this magnitude, not what was done.

That's all for now.

Not a scammer or a thief, just a POS person right?

So you know you did scam/con/lie

You should already be able to see this is about to blow up in your face.

Lol ya you can pay someone 1k or pay someone 1k to kill another person and then be charged with murder. That sounds like a real good idea and probably not a good idea to tell the person you are capable of doing this.

Imagine by some unforeseen circumstance Nate was murdered and they couldn't find the real killer....You could go down for being such a dumb**** lol.

Anyways just pay him the $ you owe him because you violated the contract first. You might think this is a good story to try and get you out of paying but it isn't. You're going to have enough problems still if you do pay him for being so incapable of handling this.

Just my 2 cents

Here's a condensed/reworded/highly edited version of the OP without all of the chatter. - Le Gonso