in crusader kings 2, if you ever give the isle of man to someone, it's just one county, so you'd naturally think your new vassal would be a count, and he is, at first. but that count's son can upgrade himself to a duke without the king's permission because the duchy of man only desires to hold the relatively tiny territory of the isle of man.
of course when they become dukes they always desire more and start invading the nearby part of scotland
in crusader kings 2, if you ever give the isle of man to someone, it's just one county, so you'd naturally think your new vassal would be a count, and he is, at first. but that count's son can upgrade himself to a duke without the king's permission because the duchy of man only desires to hold the relatively tiny territory of the isle of man.
of course when they become dukes they always desire more and start invading the nearby part of scotland
In Hearts of Iron IV, I nuked the isle of man like a dozen times.
in crusader kings 2, if you ever give the isle of man to someone, it's just one county, so you'd naturally think your new vassal would be a count, and he is, at first. but that count's son can upgrade himself to a duke without the king's permission because the duchy of man only desires to hold the relatively tiny territory of the isle of man.
of course when they become dukes they always desire more and start invading the nearby part of scotland
in crusader kings 2, if you ever give the isle of man to someone, it's just one county, so you'd naturally think your new vassal would be a count, and he is, at first. but that count's son can upgrade himself to a duke without the king's permission because the duchy of man only desires to hold the relatively tiny territory of the isle of man.
of course when they become dukes they always desire more and start invading the nearby part of scotland