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10-30-2010 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zygote
just read the interview and the link to his argument for fictional reserves etc. and honestly this guy is so wrong. im going to write a full critique, but his ideas are so off the reality wagon and he writes so arrogantly i have a hard time finding the respect for him that others do.

basically what he doesnt realize is that the fact that credit is a leading indicator to reserves pumping doesnt make reserves fictional. the fact banks can by-pass reserve standards doesnt make reserves fictional. reserves are entirely releant to solvency and sustainability of the system. he will never make accurate predictions unless he realizes this. there is no other way to view it. there is nothing austrian about his view since mises and rothbard understood the whole system was based on reserves. in this way they differentiated money from fiduciary media. rothbard explained reserves also laid the foundation for the ultimate level of money destruction, and this being the sound footing of the economy.

i'm not sure exactly what makes mish austrian at all, in fact, beside maybe his distaste for government. just that idea that he seems to think that if reserves were zero, nothing would change is absolutely the most ludicrous thing i've ever heard. you can never make a payment outside of your own firm, if that was the case. how on earth does he think anyone ever goes bankrupt? if everyone could just uplift credit as they pleased, we'd all be the federal reserve.
Zygote,

I'd love to see and appreciate a full follow up. From that interview:

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It was easy to see the housing bubble would collapse and in turn credit would plunge and writeoffs would soar. That was the basis for my prediction that interest rates across the entire yield curve would make all-time lows.

When I made that call, oil was near $140, and nearly everyone thought I was nuts. But it happened. Recently we made new lows in 2- and 5-year treasuries and credit continues to contract.
Bernanke and various Fed members talk about preventing deflation, but that talk is always in terms of the CPI.

However, it is impossible to measure prices of consumer goods accurately enough, housing prices are not in the CPI (I think they should be), but most importantly, we are in a fiat credit-based economy.
In contrast, Schiff called this a "headfake" into the USD that he missed.
10-30-2010 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigdaddydvo
Zygote,

I'd love to see and appreciate a full follow up. From that interview:
gonna write it early next week. hope to do a critique on schiff too. will post when done.

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In contrast, Schiff called this a "headfake" into the USD that he missed.
but mish was calling for collapse again into september last year as schiff was pushing foreign stocks. who was right then?
10-30-2010 , 12:59 PM
I would be long USD cause I think the Fed disappoints with QE2 relative to market expectations.
11-04-2010 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
Balancing the budget wouldn't save the dollar? Can you explain why please?
Briefly and generally, they blew a debt bubble that can't be repaid in real terms (see the Z-1 graph posted earlier in thsi thread).

The dollar system is a debt base system, the dollar is the medium of exchange and the store of wealth function is debt (aka the repayment of more dollars later). Yeah debt and assets, credit and assets, they are sorta the same thing in many respects.

One guy gets a mortgage on his house (credit), and that gets packages as a CDO and sold to some pension fund as an asset. This kinda mortgage sercuritization in the "private sector" is not so common anymore with the G basically running housing securitization, but it s a simple example. Another example, loans are held as assets on bank balance sheets.

But we can't possiblely pay the accumulated debt back (promises of more money later) in real terms (aka we can't pay down the debt in today's dollar valuations).

I'm not talking just G debt, but all kind of debt - our houses and businesses and everything has basally been collateralized, the most stable collateral in international finance, gold, havse been levered at over 100-1. Look at the Z-1 graph of total debt I posted earlier that shows debt exploding since the full fiat system stabilized around 1980.

The have to keep credit cheap to allow the dbet to be rolled, and they have to try to debase the dollar wrt to the debt load so it can't be repaid in cheaper dollars.

But then there is a problem then with the store of value component - debt - as it isn't delivering what it promised - wealth in the future. Wonder what happens if people lose confidence in the store of wealth component of the dollar to actually store and deliver wealth into the future?

The debt is heart of the dollar system, and if it stops performing, game over.
11-04-2010 , 01:53 PM
typo:

The have to keep credit cheap to allow the debt to be rolled, and they have to try to debase the dollar wrt to the debt load so it can be repaid in cheaper dollars.
11-04-2010 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
But why can't the creditor simply not get paid? I lend someone a candy bar. He says he will pay me back tomorrow. He doesn't.
It happens all the time, its called default

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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
Just because there are losers why does the dollar have to become worthless or stop being a medium of exchange? Why couldn't all the banks who leveraged simply gone bankrupt?
It will still be a medium of exchange (perhaps in a new incarnation), but its use value will be greatly diminished.

But the issue is it won't be the global store of wealth, as it is now as the world's reserve currency, because it doesn't store wealth too goot.

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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
I personally have zero debt. So where do I play into the system?
You are lucky/well positioned.

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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
If we were to balance the budget and allow deflation, why wouldn't the market correct itself? Those who can't repay don't. Those who made bad lending choices don't get paid. Such is capitalism, no? Eventually all the losers get sorted out and people start lending again.
Of course the market will correct this mess, that's the whole point.

The dollar is not, however, a market phenomenon, and the market may not care to much for its sustainability.
11-04-2010 , 02:55 PM
This thread should of been entitled "Why I'm a f'ing moron!"
11-04-2010 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
So when you initially said "I am well aware of what Schiff has advocated and advocates, unfortunately. He really think the dollar can be saved if they turn off the money pump, and his rational for this reveals his shallow and superficial reasoning," in what terms were you using the word saved? Were you speaking solely towards it's ability to remain the world's reserve currency?

And to your previous statement, "Briefly and generally, they blew a debt bubble that can't be repaid in real terms (see the Z-1 graph posted earlier in thsi thread).":

Why doesn't default solve the problem of debt? It seems like a deflationary cycle should be bullish for the USD.
Because default and deflation mean lower gdp, lower tax returns with the same nominal debt burden. This is negative for US treasuries which is long term negative for the US dollar.
11-05-2010 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
So when you initially said "I am well aware of what Schiff has advocated and advocates, unfortunately. He really think the dollar can be saved if they turn off the money pump, and his rational for this reveals his shallow and superficial reasoning," in what terms were you using the word saved? Were you speaking solely towards it's ability to remain the world's reserve currency?
In its current incarnation, which is as world reserve currency. The USA will exist and have a currency bar Zombies and such.

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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
And to your previous statement, "Briefly and generally, they blew a debt bubble that can't be repaid in real terms (see the Z-1 graph posted earlier in thsi thread).":

Why doesn't default solve the problem of debt?
Whose problem?

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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
It seems like a deflationary cycle should be bullish for the USD.
Why does it seem that way?
11-05-2010 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
It seems bullish for the USD because our debt is being washed away by default.
If default was good for the dollar banks would never require repayment.

The system is premised on creating excess dollars and shipping them overseas for real goods, then recycling these dollars back in the capital account through treasuries, thus taking dollars out of circulation in return for a promise of more dollars later.

Suppose people don't want more dollars later, but instead want real stuff now?
11-05-2010 , 09:26 AM
see this from earlier:

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Originally Posted by J.R.
You are describing the same thing - a hyperinflation currency collapse, due to a loss of confidence and the related crushing deflation of the credit bubble.

If you could strengthen the dollar through debt default, banks would never require loan repayment. The dollar can't survive a big deflation, as the FED has made plainly obvious.

"Hyperinflation" is not the massive expansion in physical monetary supply, but actually an abandonment of goods for sale/exchange for the money, which leads to the massive monetary expansion. Its a psychological phenomena, its a loss of confidence.

Hyperinflation is initiated when the physical plane stops bidding on the monetary plane with physical goods. Not when the monetary plane bids up the physical plane with lots of paper. The latter is the necessary reaction to the former.

This is what Mises wrote about 100 years ago, the monetary inflation was the massive policy of credit inflation that's been going on over the last 30 or so years that the FED has been pumping ever more money into to keep it going every time it burps.
11-05-2010 , 11:50 AM
fwiw, here is a quick update from me.

in light of the fed decision, i went long aud.jpy at 80.9, cad.jpy 80.67, sgd.jpy 63, aud.usd at .995, and aud.cad at 1.008 and i shorted eur.usd at 1.4249.

at these levels i just started to go long long usd. cad at 1.002, as i think the Canadian autohrities are likely to mimick the US somewhat as Carney already explained, the jobs data wasnt great out the Canada, and the canadian authorities have a low tolerance for the currency near parity levels especially when they see unemployment as still elevated.

also, ill be working later this afternoon on the mish critique. didnt get much done this week as its been hell week for data, news etc. hopefully will post early next week.
11-05-2010 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
But then the bank would go bankrupt?
the banks will go bankrupt anyway. there are not enough liquid dollars to pay the terms of the dollar based contracts established.

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relative to JR, i would say that what is good for the dollar might be bad for banks. am i missing why you connected the two?

Last edited by Zygote; 11-05-2010 at 04:34 PM.
11-06-2010 , 12:29 AM
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i guess what i am looking for is a repudiation to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWmA...layer_embedded

his idea that we should

raise interest rates
stop QE

and that it will result in:

deflation
stronger dollar

and clear the way for savings (people now have motivation to save w/ a higher rate)

entrepreneurs who would be no longer worried about the fed inflating


but you guys say that deflation causes a weaker dollar?
I was asking about this a while back too and made a post on it in the deflation thread that might help some:

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One way that Tolbiny helped to explain it to me in simpler terms was that if the government started defaulting on its debts -- even though that would be sucking credit out of the system -- it would be killing the demand for people to hold onto the dollars that are remaining because it can no longer be considered a safe store of value when people can't count on putting it in bonds or treasuries with the gov't.

With destroyed confidence in the dollar due to the defaults by the gov't, foreigners would no longer have any desire to be holding onto their dollars and the gov't will lose it's ability to borrow and spend which decreases the demand as well. So even if the credit is sucked out of the economy and the overall monetary base declines -- the manner in which the money supply decreased would also kill the demand for dollars which would lower it's purchasing power.

People won't want to be holding onto a currency that's being printed even while credit is contracting and the overall monetary base is decreasing, since that would be heading in a bad direction of inflating the currency, so people wouldn't want to just wait until the credit contracting is eventually surpassed by printing before they get out of dollars. So this situation along with the gov't defaulting on debts would lower the demand for dollars and cause it to inflate even as credit is contracting and the overall money supply is decreasing. Others can correct that if it's wrong, but that was my understanding.
Also, when you talk about the gov't just defaulting, wouldn't that also include peoples cash they have sitting in the bank? The banks are insolvent so even the people who kept their money in USD in the bank or money market accounts would lose it. If everyone with their money in a bank got defaulted on, why would they be cool with the banks saying "ok sorry, we're gonna have to default on the monies you already had with us, but lets start over, we'll be good this time, we promise". And if people don't keep their money in banks then there would be no savings or investment if they just kept it in straight cash.

Last edited by boobies4me; 11-06-2010 at 12:41 AM.
11-06-2010 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
I am not saying that US government should default, and I don't think Schiff is either. I am saying that they should just stay out of the market and let the Banks fail if they can't survive in a free market. I think the government should balance the budget immediately via the easiest place to cut spending at the moment (military). So we would have a balanced budget which would be bullish for the dollar, people holding US bonds would still be getting paid and the banks and home owners who are underwater will fail and go bankrupt. Then rebuild.
We can't balance the budget without defaulting on what we currently owe. If interest rates were to go up in this free market you mention, it won't just be the banks that fail, but it would be our gov't that would fail as they are unable to make good on debts owed. They wouldn't be able to service the debt and would default on bonds, so bold holders don't get paid. This would lead to the dollar dropping in value.
11-07-2010 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
I am not saying that US government should default, and I don't think Schiff is either. I am saying that they should just stay out of the market and let the Banks fail if they can't survive in a free market.
We don't have a free market, we have a debt based fiat world reserve currency, so analogy is off.

In one way of looking at it, we have the FED and USG and other Gs and CBs fighting against "free market forces" to maintain the status quo.

Most here think market forces, will, as they always do, win out.
11-07-2010 , 12:35 PM
Its all about international trade:

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Originally Posted by freedom.fries
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldne..._Bankrupt.html

Can someone explain to me how the fed can go bankrupt if they control the printing press?
Jim Rickards says:

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If inflation takes off, the Fed will have to choose between holding bonds and letting inflation get worse or selling bonds and going bankrupt in the process. Since no entity goes down without a fight, the Fed will naturally hold the bonds and let inflation take off
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His point being, only USAers and those in contracts governed by USA law have to use dollars. The real deal is international trade and the settlement and clearing of trade flows among central banks. Right now must of that is done via the dollar.

Jim Rickards is suggesting that current policy (creating base reserves to pay over market price for crap and then burying said crap on the balance sheet at mark-to-fantasy valuation till term, or playing a game of hide the ball) may lead to that no longer being the case. Which isn't good for the FED, because they really just have dollars. If nobody wants what you have, you're broke.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...88&postcount=5


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Dilemma

Ever hear about the Triffin dilemma:

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The Triffin dilemma (less commonly the Triffin paradox) is the observation that when a national currency also serves as an international reserve currency (as the US dollar does today), there are fundamental conflicts of interest between short-term domestic and long-term international economic objectives. This dilemma was first identified by Belgian-American economist Robert Triffin in the 1960s, who pointed out that the country issuing the global reserve currency must be willing to run large trade deficits in order to supply the world with enough of its currency to fulfill world demand for foreign exchange reserves.

The use of a national currency as global reserve currency leads to a tension between national monetary policy and global monetary policy. This is reflected in fundamental imbalances in the balance of payments, specifically the current account: some goals require an overall flow of dollars out of the United States, while others require an overall flow of dollars in to the United States. Currency inflows and outflows of equal magnitudes cannot both happen at once.

The Triffin dilemma is usually used to articulate the problems with the US dollar's role as the reserve currency under the Bretton Woods system, or more generally of using a national currency as an international reserve currency
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Onset during Bretton Woods Era

Due to money flowing out of the country through the Marshall Plan, US defense-spending and Americans buying foreign goods, the number of U.S. dollars in circulation began to exceed the amount of gold backing them up in 1959.

By the fall of 1960, an ounce of gold could be exchanged for $40 in London, even though the price in the U.S. was $35. This difference showed that investors knew the dollar was overvalued and that time was running out.

The Nixon Shock

In August 1971, President Richard Nixon acknowledged the demise of the Bretton Woods system. He announced that the dollar could no longer be exchanged for gold, which soon became known as the Nixon shock. The "gold window" was closed.

In order to maintain the Bretton Woods system the US had to:

a) run a balance of payments current account deficit to provide liquidity for the conversion of gold into US dollars. With more US dollars in the system the citizens began to speculate, thinking that the US Dollar was overvalued. This meant that the US had less gold as people starting converting the US dollars to gold and taking it offshore. With less gold in the country there was even more speculation that the US Dollar was overvalued.

b) run a balance of payments current account surplus to maintain confidence in the US Dollar.

Obviously, the US was faced with a dilemma because it is not possible to run a balance of payments current account deficit and surplus at the same time.
The USA contradictorily needed to 1) have enough dollars for international convertibility of gold into dollars, yet 2) to keep the quantity of dollars in check so international people would still believe they were "as good as gold, or good as gold at $35 ounce.


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...Implication in 2008 meltdown

In the wake of the Financial crisis of 2007-2008, the governor of the People's Bank of China explicitly named the Triffin Dilemma as the root cause of the economic disorder, in a speech titled Reform the International Monetary System.
So why is Wiki citing China's central bank head/Ben.B equivalent about the Triffin Dilemma if we no longer have USA dollar gold convertibility?

Because now the USA issues treasury debt instead of gold, and this treasury debt is held as the international reserves on CB balance sheets:

FOFOA describing Bretton Woods gold convertibility. Gold flowed to supplement trade imbalances.

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From 1933 until 1971 the US dollar outside of the United States had value from its being equal to 1/35th of an ounce of gold. In fact, dollars outside the U.S. were more valuable than dollars inside. They purchased more real goods than internal "fiat 33" dollars because they were "golden."

But the U.S. Treasury had most of the world's monetary gold. At the peak of Bretton Woods the U.S. had about 22,000 tonnes while all the other central banks only held about 8,000 tonnes combined.

Can you imagine (hypothetically) perfectly balanced trade, (no deficit or surplus)? That would mean a perfectly equal value of real goods flowing in and out of the U.S. No net gold flow in either direction would exist because the flow of real goods in either direction is perfectly balanced by the flow of goods in the other direction. Gold flows to balance (supplement) the flow of real goods. If you don't produce enough goods you ship some gold as well. Foreign central banks collect the excess dollars in their zone (when foreign exporters exchange them at the bank) and then those central banks either hold those dollars in reserve or cash them in for gold to balance their zone's trade surplus.
But if the USA ran a trade surplus and (like China now) exported more than they imported, they would end up owning all the gold. That wouldn't work, and a dollar/gold parity revalaution would be forced, with gold up and the dollar down.

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If the U.S. ran a trade surplus, if it moved from this (hypothetical) perfect balance into surplus territory, that would mean more real goods value flowing OUT of the U.S. than in. It would mean the U.S. was like China, making stuff for the rest of the world. All external dollars would be used to purchase this excess of U.S. exports abroad and the CB's would not accumulate ANY dollars. In fact, they would face a SHORTAGE of dollars (shortage of liquidity) and a DEMAND for dollars as people went into banks to BUY dollars to purchase U.S. exports.

So the foreign CB's would then have to buy more dollars from the U.S. with their meager gold stocks, $35 for every ounce of gold they shipped to the U.S. Treasury. Now remember, the U.S. already had more than 70% of the world's "official" gold. So how long do you think Bretton Woods would have lasted under this scenario? Until the U.S. had ALL the gold? Or would the U.S. trading partners have forced a revaluation of the gold so that it wouldn't run out so fast? And a revaluation of gold would have meant a DEVALUATION of the dollar!

So, in order to keep the dollar valued at 1/35th of an ounce of gold, to prevent a dollar devaluation, the U.S. had to run a trade deficit, so that more real goods flowed INTO the U.S. than out, and the outflow deficit could be supplemented by shipping gold to the foreign CB's. This is what Wikipedia means by, "run a balance of payments current account deficit to provide liquidity for the conversion of gold into US dollars." Of course this ended in 1971 for obvious reasons.
so

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But today, the U.S. still runs its deficit, shipping U.S. Treasury debt now instead of gold. Apparently Treasury debt never runs out, unlike gold. Therefore it never gets revalued upward like gold does. Instead it gets devalued downward once it exceeds a level that can be reasonably returned at present real goods prices.

The interesting thing about Freegold is that when gold floats in price to its fiat currency, it never runs out either. Kinda like Treasury debt, only without systemic shocks every few decades.

You see, the government IS the deficit for any currency zone. Governments spend money and import lots of stuff like oil and airplanes, but they don't create any export goods. So a currency zone with a really big government (read: deficit) that runs a really big trade surplus (read: China) must be keeping its citizens in poverty.

On the other hand, a currency zone that MUST run a trade deficit in order to keep its currency valuable as the global reserve currency can grow both a really big government AND keep its population living large. Strangely, this continued for the U.S. even after 1971. How could this be?

The reason it continued is that the shocks of the 1970's gave the world a glimpse of what a global economic failure might look like. So right around 1979 the European CB's decided to speed up the process of creating a backup system (the euro) to avoid future global economic failure. And in order to do so, they had to support the U.S. dollar in its reserve currency role until their backup was brought online. And since gold was no longer being shipped from the U.S. Treasury, these European CB's agreed to buy U.S. Treasury debt in lieu of gold, at least until they had their new backup system up and running.

This process was expected to take about 10 years, but it took twice that long, from 1979 until 1999. And while they knew it was quite wasteful of their local zone's economic efforts to support the dollar by buying paper promises, they made the judgment that this was better than the alternative: a dollar collapse without a backup system in place.

And by the time the euro finally rolled out, the Chinese had picked up the Treasury debt accumulation role, and the dollar's paper gold market had blossomed into its majestic fullness. Which brings us to the present.

Today the dollar's last two support structures, the Chinese fascination with official U.S. paper promises and the public's willingness to surrender physical gold in exchange for paper gold promises, appear to be contracting. Can they contract to zero smoothly? Or will we get a "shock" out of the blue? Did the U.S. gold stockpile contract to zero smoothly? Or did we get a Nixon shock out of the blue?
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Randy’s Comment: Central bankers will increasingly prefer gold reserves over the paper reserves created by other countries. Not only for the reasons of reliability/trust as cited in this article, but moreso because in choosing predominantly gold over foreign paper for central banking reserves will give those various national monetary officials an improved degree of latitude in their pursuit of an independent monetary policy.

WITH gold reserves, a central banker in a vibrant national economy can choose to enjoy a strong currency relative to gold, but, importantly, it can still alternatively choose to exercise loose monetary policy (for economic or political reasons) in which its currency is made weak as measured relative to gold. But regardless of choice for the relative strength or weakness of the national currency, the abiding benefit of choosing gold reserves is the superior stability — the systemic strength against procyclicality — that gold offers to the asset side central banking balance sheet.

WITHOUT gold reserves, pursuit of a national currency policy that is (according to their preference) generally strong OR generally weak is made less expedient either way because the health of the central bank’s balance sheet is subordinated to the quality of its foreign paper reserves which are themselves subordinated to the particular monetary policies being pursued by those foreign governments. Generally this structure of foreign paper reserves offers only the option for national monetary weakness built upon other international weaknesses, and worst of all it exposes the national monetary balance sheet to procyclical systemic failure — a domino whose fate is written largely in the hand of its neighbors.
11-07-2010 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
Which Leads to:

Hyperinflation of the USD

Which Leads to:

Devaluation of the USD
In before JR tells you "Hyperinflation is not just really fast inflation."
11-07-2010 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
But the problem with Gold Being the World Currency reserve as far as I can tell is that Countries can't print more of it. Therefore, we will have an entirely new Economic beginning OR:

They will simply create a new Fiat Currency Reserve?

????
If you remember back to the Greece debacle, all the "experts" were lamenting that the Greeks couldn't just fire up their printing press to pay their bills.
11-07-2010 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
I know it's not. It means that people just lose confidence in it. He already explained that.
Right, but hyperinflation doesn't lead to deflation. It's deflation because of loss of confidence that leads to hyperinflation, which is the government's response.
11-07-2010 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
Because their bills were in Euro's and printing their local currency wouldn't do anything to help them?
Right.

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If that is the case, why not just use the Euro?
They couldn't print the Euro.
11-08-2010 , 11:00 AM
Why do you think this?
11-08-2010 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldBugNooby
Also, considering Triffen Dilemma, about how whatever country issues the fiat that the world uses as it reserve needs to run a deficit, how could gold be used as the reserve currency since you obviously can't have a deficit?
gold wouldn't be issued by any particular country in the manner the USD was. its not a currency specific to one country that gets issued.
11-10-2010 , 03:03 AM
prechter was on schiffs radio show the other day and debated with schiff about inflation/deflation and stated that if the gov't prints money to buy bad debt and that debt is removed from the system then replaced with dollars that it won't have an inflationary impact on anything. If this were the case wouldn't that imply he believes that if all of the bad debt in the system were just printed and replaced with dollars, while the debt was destroyed, without any changes in the money supply, that this wouldn't be inflationary?

Aside from the fact that it would cause a psychological effect of people clearly losing confidence in the currency.... if that type of event didn't occur and the gov't was somehow able to do it discreetly is that actually true? Sounds good on paper just replacing bad credit with actual dollars but if the base money is expanded to that extent is that really no different than credit in the system?
11-10-2010 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by boobies4me
prechter was on schiffs radio show the other day and debated with schiff about inflation/deflation and stated that if the gov't prints money to buy bad debt and that debt is removed from the system then replaced with dollars that it won't have an inflationary impact on anything. If this were the case wouldn't that imply he believes that if all of the bad debt in the system were just printed and replaced with dollars, while the debt was destroyed, without any changes in the money supply, that this wouldn't be inflationary?

Aside from the fact that it would cause a psychological effect of people clearly losing confidence in the currency.... if that type of event didn't occur and the gov't was somehow able to do it discreetly is that actually true? Sounds good on paper just replacing bad credit with actual dollars but if the base money is expanded to that extent is that really no different than credit in the system?
base money and credit are not equivalents. credit is a superficial form of money, while base money is money proper. base money cannot be destroyed, credit money can. credit money credits base money, so is restricted by the quantity of base money. expanding base money allows credit money to go further, and increasing the aggregate spending power of an economy. increasing credit money alone does not do this in more than a superficial manner.

      
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