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Still time to buy gold imo. Still time to buy gold imo.

05-24-2010 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by entertainme
Shouldn't we be dropping by tomorrow based on above?
Not per se.

Consider it as a lay of the land, or the goal of the bullion banks' strategy. They don't have complete control, but they have lots of influence.

Their big number was 1200, as indicated in the other two quotes from that post. We are right there. Whether they can hold the line so to speak will be seen. They might make more if they ran it lower, but they don't have complete control. But they already raided pretty good last week so they sit in comfortable territory.

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You will carefully note, dear reader, that every day in this engineered sell-off in both gold and silver, a new low is set... and more brain-dead tech funds are forced to puke up their longs... and the bullion banks either take the tech fund longs and keep them for themselves [no change in open interest] or they take that long and close out one of the short positions they hold [open interest falls by one]. Only traders in the Commercial category [read bullion banks] are allowed this outrageous privilege... as traders in the Non-Commercial and Nonreportable category of the COT aren't allowed to do that.
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayGsd.php?id=205
05-24-2010 , 01:49 PM
Central Bank Gold Holdings Expand at Fastest Pace Since 1964
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March 18 (Bloomberg) -- Central banks added the most gold to their reserves since 1964 last year amid the longest rally in bullion prices in at least nine decades, data compiled by the World Gold Council show.

Combined holdings rose 425.4 metric tons to 30,116.9 tons, an increase worth $13.3 billion at last year’s average price, according to the data. India, Russia and China said last year they added to reserves. The expansion was the first since 1988, the data from the London-based council show.

Central banks, holding about 18 percent of all gold ever mined, are expanding their holdings for the first time in a generation as investors in exchange-traded funds amass bullion as an alternative to currencies. Holdings in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest ETF backed by the metal, are at 1,115.5 tons, more than the holdings of Switzerland.
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Russia still buying more

05-24-2010 , 01:51 PM

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For the past two weeks I have been observing a divergence from what has been a fairly reliable pattern involving the Swap Dealers and the big Commercials (Producer/User/Merchant/Processor) category. I remarked about this last week in my comments and mentioned that we would be watching to see if this divergence looks like it might be more than perhaps a one or two hit wonder.

This week’s report now shows the 3rd consecutive week in which the Swap Dealers have gone the opposite direction of the other big commercials. What makes this so noteworthy is that by simply looking over the chart, you can see that for the most part these two giants have been pretty much marching in lock step with each other. As the net short commercial position increases, the swap dealer net short position generally increases as well. When it decreases, so too does the Swap Dealer’s.

What appears to be happening is that the Swap dealers are slowly moving out of their net short position using the selling of the Commercial class to provide them with someone to buy from. AS a matter of fact, the swap dealers have been marching in lock step with the Managed money category for the last three weeks.

I do not want to make any sort of dogmatic prediction from just a few week’s worth of data, but this divergence bears watching to see if it really does become something more forcible and predictable. If so, it would indicate that the Swap Dealers are attempting to extricate themselves from their rather sizeable short position. They obviously have a long way to go to become net longs but wouldn’t it be interesting if after all these years of working the short side of the metal, they have had a conversion experience and want to at the very least get out of the short side.

Next week’s report is going to be very revealing because of the sizeable correction in price we have had. If what I suspect is happening, look for the Swap Dealers to have dramatically reduced their short position into the liquidation selling of the general public and the managed money crowd. This time they will be back to going the same direction as the other big Commercial category who no doubt are using the selling of the general public and the Managed Money due to liquidation to cover some profitable shorts.
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05-24-2010 , 02:02 PM
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...The dollar is so much more than just its quantitative body, its size. If it was not, it would have surely collapsed back in the 1970's after being set free from gold. But something else developed, an insatiable demand for dollars that allowed for the supply of money to be increased time and time again with little inflation showing up in prices and almost a negative affect on gold over a 20 year period. How was this possible in a world that was supposed to actually perform under Austrian principles of monetary inflation?

Obviously the printing of money and the expansion of credit had little to do with gold price inflation, at least from 1980 through 2001. 1971 to 1980 and 2001 to 2009 were different, but what was happening? Was it a shift back and forth between a quantitative monetary effect or something else entirely?

What changed in our first and only 38-year experiment with a completely symbolic, unbacked fiat currency was that, from an Austrian perspective, we were shocked and surprised to find such a tremendous demand for such a singularly worthless currency.

This demand came from its ease of use and from the ease of credit creation and international transactions
. We got little plastic cards and key fobs that could pay for anything from gas to groceries. The banks got the equivalent of the Midas touch when it came to credit expansion. And the globalization movement got the most liquid capital movements ever imagined.

Perhaps it took 9 years for all this new demand to mature, but once it did, we got the 1980's!

But did you notice something about all the demand developments I listed? The were all based on the dollar's ease as a transactional unit. None of them were based on its intrinsic value. None were based on its store of value function. None were because of its superior use as a denominator of debt. Only for its ease in issuing debt.

But for hundreds if not thousands of years these two separate functions of money have been ingrained into our human psyche as one and the same. Money, as we know it, is both a transactional medium and a store of value.

So in the 1970's, we watched as acceptance of this new symbolic transactional unit grew. In the 80's and 90's we watched as the dollar exploded in quantity and global use, with relatively little inflationary impact. And then in the new millennium, we are seeing another shift: the recognition that the dollar is really only good for its transactional use. But quite poor as a store of value.

So gold's price rise is not a function of inflation, as van Eeden says, but is instead a function of a global sea change away from using the dollar as a store of value. When viewed from this perspective, gold's rise has only just begun.

What do you think allowed for 20 years of dollar expansion with no gold price inflation? It was the soaking-up of newly created dollars as people all over the world held them as a store of value. Wall Street exploded as the enabler of this misguided demand, while the real demand was for the dollar's transactional ease. China followed, as did much of the developed world. But now this trend has reversed.
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05-24-2010 , 02:50 PM
^wow, excellent stuff J.R.

Never thought of dollar demand being tied so closely to its function of debt issuance/credit creation at the expense of it being a store of value.

Anywho, we're creeping back up toward the $1200 mark. This despite a relatively strong performance from the dollar today.
05-24-2010 , 07:11 PM
05-25-2010 , 08:06 AM
Another terrible day. Libor up, Germany's exchange down 3.5%, Euro below $1.22.

Gold holding its own, but the other metals getting killed.
05-25-2010 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by T50_Omaha8
Another terrible day. Libor up, Germany's exchange down 3.5%, Euro below $1.22.

Gold holding its own, but the other metals getting killed.
Seriously. I got my chuckles in this morning when random blowhard guest was preaching "But it's teh buying opportunity!!!11"

BTW the dollar rally has been sick. Remember when we traded below 75 on the index in November? We're topping 87 with no signs of stopping in the near term.
05-25-2010 , 10:09 AM
Nice to see you again $1200
05-25-2010 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigdaddydvo
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05-25-2010 , 11:20 AM
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Analyzing the semi-annual report on gold derivatives published by the Bank for International Settlements, Golden Sextant Internet site proprietor Reg Howe finds evidence that the gold exchange-traded fund, GLD, has replaced direct central bank gold sales and leases as a major mechanism for gold price suppression.
HT GATA - May 24, 2010 (RHH). Gold Derivatives: GLD and Ass Backwardation

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You have to choose (as a voter) between trusting to the natural stability of gold and the natural stability of the honesty and intelligence of the members of the Government. And, with due respect for these gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the Capitalist system lasts, to vote for gold.
G. Bernard Shaw
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On May 11, 2010, the Bank for International Settlements released its regular semi-annual report on the over-the-counter derivatives of major banks and dealers in the G-10 countries and Switzerland for the year ending December 31, 2009. The total notional value of all gold derivatives remained virtually flat at $423 billion, a mere $2 billion less than at mid-year. With stronger gold prices ($1104 (London close) versus $935), gross market values rose from $43 to $48 billion.
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However, taking both halves of 2009 into consideration, parallel movements in OTC gold forwards and swaps and tonnes held in trust by SPDR Gold Shares (GLD) suggest another at least partial explanation: GLD has acquired much of its gold not by market purchases but through forwards and swaps intermediated by the bullion banks from official reserves.

Coincidence or Design? The following chart shows tonnes held in trust as reported by GLD. During the first half of 2009, its holdings jumped by 340 tonnes, by far the largest half year's increase in its history. Another 33 tonnes were added in the second half. Coincidence, or is there a reason why GLD's holdings in 2009 mirrored the big first half jump and last half hold steady pattern of OTC gold forwards and swaps?



Almost from its inception, questions have been raised regarding whether GLD has the all gold it claims to have. In part the natural consequence of its less than convincing custodial and auditing procedures, these doubts take added weight given well-documented tightness in the physical market. Still, here at The Golden Sextant, we have inclined to the view that the larger risk with GLD is not whether it has the gold it claims, but whether its gold -- mostly situated in the United Kingdom -- is insufficiently protected against the threat of government seizure. See RKL, Musings on the Realms of GLD (10/15/2007).
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A recent and quite comprehensive study of GLD's governing documents suggests that although GLD may not lend or swap the gold it holds in trust, nothing prevents it from acquiring gold that has been leased, loaned, deposited or swapped to bullion banks by central banks. C.A. Fitts et al., GLD and SLV: Disclosure in the Precious Metals Puzzle Palace (May 3, 2010) ("Leased Bullion: ETF underlying documents may permit "Authorized Participants" [footnote omitted] to contribute (or at least do not expressly prohibit them from contributing) to the ETFs gold and silver leased from central banks instead of precious metals to which the Authorized Participants hold absolute legal title.")

In reporting their gold reserves, central banks commonly include gold out on loan, deposit or swap notwithstanding that much of this gold has in fact been sold into the market. See, e.g., N.R. Ryan, Gold Market Lending (Blanchard & Co., Dec. 1, 2006), and materials cited. See also H. Takeda, Treatment of Allocated/Unallocated Gold Held as Reserve Assets and Gold Swaps and Gold Deposits, Follow-Up Paper (RESTEG) # 11.1, International Monetary Fund (August 2006).

Indeed, as Frank Veneroso used to put it, the borrowing and sale of official gold by bullion bank intermediaries to support the gold carry trade not only put downward pressure on gold prices, but also created a corner on the market for the principal buyers, most notably the women of India. To repay the carry trade gold to the central banks, the bullion banks first had to repurchase in the market, presumably at prices sufficiently attractive to draw high carat jewelry from the subcontinent. The scenario may be a bit overdrawn, but the point is clear.

The Achilles' heel of gold lending to the carry trade, as opposed to gold loans to support forward sales by gold mining companies, was the requirement to repurchase in the market, possibly at much higher prices, to make repayment. As noted in many prior commentaries, forward sales by gold mining companies, which have dropped sharply in recent years, never accounted for more than small portion of OTC gold forwards and swaps. The carry trade was always the bulk of this business, and thus the central banks' primary tool for putting downward pressure on gold prices.

From this perspective, the design of GLD is a distinct improvement upon the carry trade as a vehicle for blunting upward pressure on gold prices from rising investment demand. Gold moves in and out of GLD in "baskets" of 10,000 ounces created by "authorized participants." The list of authorized participants includes all the major bullion banks, who as noted appear free to create baskets with gold loaned or swapped to them by central banks and then to transfer those baskets to GLD in return for shares to be sold to investors.

In that event, unlike the gold carry trade, official gold is not fully surrendered to the international market by the intermediary bullion banks and subsequently transported to God only knows where. Rather, with GLD as the (presumably bona fide) purchaser from the intermediary bank, the gold moves to an identified vault subject to the jurisdiction and laws of the United Kingdom. The central banks, as before, can continue to count it in their gold reserves, but now with more practical justification since it also remains within the banking system and their effective control.
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Ass Backwardation. In recent months, while GLD has generally sold at a slight discount to net asset value, other bullion funds with more transparent and credible custodial and auditing procedures have commanded significant premiums. E.g., Central Fund of Canada (CEF), Central Gold Trust (GTU), Sprott Physical Gold Trust (PHYS). Anecdotal evidence also continues to surface of premiums for spot delivery of physical metal or cash settlement in lieu of physical.

Gold forward rates as reported by the London Bullion Market Association (www.lbma.org.uk) have remained positive territory, but accompanied by sporadic negative lease rates at the shorter maturities. See Gold Derivatives: The Tide Turns (5/25/2009), and materials cited. At the LBMA, therefore, gold continues to avoid backwardation, but only because central banks continue to lend at historically very low lease rates.

It is a strange situation. Gold for spot delivery and bullion funds with high credibility for physical possession of metal in the amounts claimed are selling at premiums over paper of lesser reliability. But where gold is arbitraged against currencies on the basis of relative interest rates, it remains in contango. Freer private markets are increasingly disconnecting from more regulated and controlled official markets. Backwardation is arriving in gold, but ass backwards. Of course, nobody should be surprised. That is the way central banks typically operate.
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Reginald H. Howe, is an author and private investor. A graduate of Harvard College, Harvard Law School and the Bologna (Italy) Center of the Johns Hopkins School for Advanced International Studies, he began his business career in 1964 as a financial analyst with the international division of The Kendall Company. From 1976 to 1984, Mr. Howe was a partner in the Boston law firm of Palmer & Dodge, where he specialized in civil litigation and was a member of the firm's investment committee. He was an associate at the same firm from 1970 to 1976. In 1983, Mr. Howe organized Golden Sextant Associates, a general partnership for investing in developing North American gold mining companies, and he served as its managing general partner until its profitable dissolution in 1987. For a few years thereafter, he continued as a sole legal practitioner and served as a registered investment adviser to private clients.
05-25-2010 , 06:06 PM
Could Sprott trigger the Golden Apocolypse?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/eri...ollow-offering

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Eric Sprott's Physical Gold Trust (PHYS) has just announced it is issuing a follow-on offering of 18 million trust units, with an overallottment option of another 2.7 million, for a total, including the greenshoe, of 20.7 million new units. The proceeds, as expected, will be used to purchase physical gold bullion to satisfy unprecedented investor demand for a safe haven away from the central bank printing press madness. At a post-announcement per unit price of $11.40, this means Sprott will buy $235 million worth of gold in the open market. At today's gold price of $1,200 this translates into 195,833 troy ounces of gold to be acquired, or roughly 6 metric tonnes. Somehow, we don't think the LBMA will be too thrilled with this extraction of physical gold out of the controlled synthetic precious metal ponzi system.

Full press release:

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The Trust intends to use the net proceeds of this Offering to acquire physical gold bullion in accordance with the Trust's objective and subject to the Trust's investment and operating restrictions described in the prospectus related to this Offering. Under the trust agreement governing the Trust, the net proceeds of the Offering per unit must be not less than 100% of the most recently calculated net asset value per Unit of the Trust prior to, or upon determination of, pricing of the offering.
05-25-2010 , 06:39 PM
hrm, right after all the 1200 calls expire worthless, gold breaks 1200... odd that
05-26-2010 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by J.R.
Oh noes gold's a bubble!

Or maybe not (from 12/09)



WSJ Is Gold the Next Bubble?

Obviously I think the whole bubble idea misses the point about what is happening with gold, but either way there may be some value in looking at gold in light of what has happened in the past with other assets classes to which capital has recently tried to run to to retain value.
05-26-2010 , 03:05 PM
The other good Buffett (i.e. not Jimmy):

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/how...-gold-standard
05-27-2010 , 11:40 AM
GT link:
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Linked below is among the most well-written and brilliant analysis of how the Central Banks conspire to suppress the price of gold and how they are using GLD for this purpose. Reports about the fraudulent business structure of GLD have been published ad nauseum, including one by me, but this forensic accounting analysis by Reg Howe is nothing short of remarkable and he clearly lays out the argument, supported by data taken directly from BIS (Bank for International Settlements - the global Central Bank of Central Banks) quarterly documents. Here is one of the salient quotes, to wet your appetite and stroke your curiosity:

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In recent months, while GLD has generally sold at a slight discount to net asset value, other bullion funds with more transparent and credible custodial and auditing procedures have commanded significant premiums. E.g., Central Fund of Canada (CEF), Central Gold Trust (GTU), Sprott Physical Gold Trust (PHYS). Anecdotal evidence also continues to surface of premiums for spot delivery of physical metal or cash settlement in lieu of physical.

Gold forward rates as reported by the London Bullion Market Association (www.lbma.org.uk) have remained positive territory, but accompanied by sporadic negative lease rates at the shorter maturities. See Gold Derivatives: The Tide Turns (5/25/2009), and materials cited. At the LBMA, therefore, gold continues to avoid backwardation, but only because central banks continue to lend at historically very low lease rates.

It is a strange situation. Gold for spot delivery and bullion funds with high credibility for physical possession of metal in the amounts claimed are selling at premiums over paper of lesser reliability. But where gold is arbitraged against currencies on the basis of relative interest rates, it remains in contango. Freer private markets are increasingly disconnecting from more regulated and controlled official markets. Backwardation is arriving in gold, but ass backwards. Of course, nobody should be surprised. That is the way central banks typically operate.
Reginald Howe:
05-27-2010 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by J.R.
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You will carefully note, dear reader, that every day in this engineered sell-off in both gold and silver, a new low is set... and more brain-dead tech funds are forced to puke up their longs... and the bullion banks either take the tech fund longs and keep them for themselves [no change in open interest] or they take that long and close out one of the short positions they hold [open interest falls by one]. Only traders in the Commercial category [read bullion banks] are allowed this outrageous privilege... as traders in the Non-Commercial and Nonreportable category of the COT aren't allowed to do that.
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayGsd.php?id=205
Think about this in context of what many suspect happens - they can close out as above and go long (and buy up old shorts), lay off the shorts side and let it run, close the longs and then issue new shorts to bring it back down. Nice game.
05-27-2010 , 09:58 PM
Gold ATM's coming to a palace/airport near you...

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/27/news..._atm/index.htm
05-27-2010 , 10:48 PM
Woohoo, APMEX shipment came today:
05-28-2010 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnycakes
Woohoo, APMEX shipment came today:
they are fake I can tell from the shine and because I have seen quite alot of gold pictures in my day
05-28-2010 , 02:34 PM
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The gold base has always existed and has always been vital to whatever fictional monetary system was layered on top of it. The gold base is the volume of gold times the price of gold (GB=VOGxPOG). And this base is de facto vital on all scales, from global to national to individual.

The gold base not only exerts pressure on monetary systems but it also receives pressure from them. There is a symbiotic relationship between the gold base and monetary systems, whether money is exchangeable for gold at the bank or not.

Of course at one time physical gold and silver were the monetary system, and nothing else was considered money. But today, and for the past several systems the symbiosis between the gold base and money has been very active.

As monetary systems mature, be they a gold standard (pre-1922), the gold exchange standard (1922-1971) or the dollar reserve standard (1971-present), the price and volume of gold (the gold base) is under constant pressure to expand. Concurrently, whenever the gold base is restrained from its necessary and natural expansion (either through mining restriction or price appreciation restriction/fixed or semi-fixed parity) it exerts pressure back on the monetary system.

This symbiotic dynamic becomes a classic feedback loop that always ends in 1) a new or reworked monetary system and 2) an explosive expansion of the gold base. Today is no different.
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As for price prediction calls, these are most difficult to make, second only to timing. Because once you realize what is actually happening, that paper gold markets like COMEX, the LBMA, GLD and others are the new restraining factor in gold base expansion, you must come to the ultimate conclusion that the next explosive gold base expansion will be a price reset of physical gold only. And that it must be large enough to solve today's biggest problem, infinite debt, or put another way, debt without any limit.
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We cannot know where the market will take the physical-only price of gold in order to solve today's debt problem. But we do know a few things that can give us a clue. 1) It will be a phase transition, or a paradigm shift that will knock your socks off. As someone recently wrote, you can heat water to 99 degrees Celsius and it will not boil. But go one degree higher and matter itself changes form. This is a phase transition. 2) The gold base expansion/phase transition will be completely unrestrained by economic forces, unlike any other physical material like oil, for example. In other words, it will appear completely arbitrary by all rational expectations and past ratios. The only scale on which it will make any sense is that it will solve the global debt problem.

But beware! This "market solution" to the global debt problem may not be as pleasant as you think. It might be, to borrow a fantastic phrase from Dan Amerman, a reluctant state of “Accidental Virtue”, to which we will all be dragged kicking and screaming.

The systemic rise of global imbalance, the creation of massive amounts of new and ever-more-worthless government digits, all to shore up unimaginable debt mountains held at the banks and central banks... all this and more, now demands settlement in very scarce physical gold metal. And with no international "window" to deliver such metal settlement at today's price, it must come from the global gold stock, from the holders of physical gold. The "flow" at today's price is not nearly sufficient. But the "stock" is plenty big... at the right price.

Gold must become free to settle all the massive imbalances that have accumulated for more than 88 years.

Before 1922, domestic debt claims in each nation were the "paper gold" of the day
, as they were the only thing other than physical gold that the banks could hold in reserve and issue more credit upon during the gold standard.

After 1922 "paper gold" was expanded to also include British Pound Sterling and US dollars. But the banks receiving these new "paper gold reserves" (dollars and pounds) deposited them back in their banks of creation in London and New York. And as such, these "international paper gold reserves" doubled the money supply in amounts equal to all balance-of-payment deficits run by England and America. New credit was issued upon these reserves in both the surplus-running country and the deficit country of origin and deposit.

So the US and UK deficits never contracted the aggregate purchasing power of those countries after 1922, the way deficit settlements are supposed to. Instead, they exported their monetary inflation outward to the surplus-running countries.
This was the very beginning of the US exorbitant privilege that continues to this day.

The collapse of the credit expansion bubble built upon this "double pyramid" contributed to the amplification of a simple recession into the Great Depression of the 1930's. This unforeseen development forced the overnight devaluation of all "paper gold" worldwide.

Following World War II the US dollar became the only "paper gold" accepted as international bank reserves, doubling monetary base in amounts equal to the crescendo that became the US trade deficit for the next 27 years. This "paper gold" pyramid finally collapsed in 1971, sending the price of gold up more than 2,000% in 8 short years.

And from 1980 until today, well, you all know what the modern "paper gold" looks like. And yes, the banks' reserves now consist of domestic debt claims, US dollars, "paper gold", other foreign currency, and yes, even foreign debt claims today. And yes, the recycling of trade deficit payments back to the country of issue continues to multiply the reserve base of the global banking system, the same way it did in 1922.

The "miracle" of modern banking is that all this exponential monetary inflation is cycled directly into assets and "investments". In other words, it is funneled into DEBT!
It rarely hits the grocery store, at least not at levels that the people notice. Not yet that is.

But what this all means is that economic growth has no hope of ever keeping up with "financial growth". To stock market investors at certain times in history, like 1999, this seems like a new manna from heaven. Or for those lucky few who bought homes in 2000 and sold them in 2006. What a miracle!

But the reality is that we have a big problem today. And that problem is all the debt that is simply unserviceable on the physical plane of reality, let alone ever paying back the principle on collateral worth half what it used to be worth. This is a really big problem, and it will be resolved in a really big way.

Now, what is not going to happen this time like times in the past is that no one is going to manually reset the gold base at a new level to make things temporarily sustainable again. First of all, there is no gold window like before where they can reset the price. There is no sovereign hoard being dished out for them to protect. In fact, the higher the price goes, the more existing hoards are protected!

So, the way I have started looking at this, from a macro perspective, is; What will market forces do to fix the problem? And the answer is that the market will recapitalize itself through the gold base, just as it has done for thousands of years. This is a free market force I am talking about. It will not be resisted by those in power when it happens because they have bigger problems to worry about than trying to restrain the value of their only true reserves below market value.
Reflection
05-28-2010 , 02:47 PM
Dividends were not included on purpose, as the point is a look at the relationship between a proxy for future expected earnings (S&P 500) and something real (gold). Maybe times when the inflationary money system inevitably busts and collapses aren't so good for paper assets in real terms (especially equity claims on leveraged corporate entities).

05-28-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnycakes
Woohoo, APMEX shipment came today:
Ecclectic choice of coins imho
05-28-2010 , 03:03 PM
Is it just me, or did APMEX raise their prices? Random year 1 oz Krugs and Philharmonics are now $49.95+ over spot. I'm pretty sure had been $39.95+ over spot.
05-28-2010 , 03:09 PM
Wouldn't surprise me a bit. Everyone is having to raise their prices relative to spot for physical delivery, because physical is essentially decoupling from spot.

      
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