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05-04-2019 , 09:31 PM
Simple question. It's something ive been trying out that I think is profitable but i'm not sure and wanted input.

In this scenario everyone has a standard 100 bb stack or pretty close to it. game is NL

Hero is in small blind
V1 is in cutoff
V2 is in bb

V1 limps from c/o
hero pops 2.5 bb, bb calls c/o calls, pot is ~7.5bb

flop comes 2104

Pot is 3-way, Hero first to act with A8

Hero opens for 10bb in sb.

I understand that a strong re-raise (to about 30bb) might have us chucking it, but is it worth over betting to build the pot with nut potential on the turn and river?

what about if we are in c/o and its checked to us after we popped 2.5bb pre with two callers... it might buy us the river free?

Also, the fold equity of the overbet looking like two pair or stronger

Also it allows weaker flush draws to call thinking they're gonna bust a big hand if they hit, not knowing they're gonna hang them self

What do you guys think?

Do not be afraid to be brutally honest.
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05-05-2019 , 04:47 AM
Why would you ever fold if you got raised
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05-07-2019 , 04:25 PM
You want to give fd's "good odds to call". I'd bet 2/3 pot instead. You also don't want to make it look different from AT or 44.

In other words, I'd find some good hands to bet the same way, so it's not obviously a draw, and then you make a little more sometimes from those good hands when you get called or raised because villain thinks you are drawing.

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 05-07-2019 at 04:48 PM.
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05-07-2019 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Why would you ever fold if you got raised
uh, because if you get raised here, youre often the underdog, because they have a made hand and you only have 36% equity not including fold equity, which means if they are re-raising a more than pot bet 3x your raise its likely they have two pair or a set hands you are both behind
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05-07-2019 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
You want to give fd's "good odds to call". I'd bet 2/3 pot instead. You also don't want to make it look different from AT or 44.

In other words, I'd find some good hands to bet the same way, so it's not obviously a draw, and then you make a little more sometimes from those good hands when you get called or raised because villain thinks you are drawing.
The purpose of the over bet here is to confuse them into thinking you have a made hand, and thus them drawing them self with an inferior draw incorrectly thinking they have implied odds against your made hand when they hit.
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05-08-2019 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by crush305
The purpose of the over bet here is to confuse them into thinking you have a made hand, and thus them drawing them self with an inferior draw incorrectly thinking they have implied odds against your made hand when they hit.
This will rarely work. The number of times you have a nfd, your opponent has a fd, he believes you have a premium hand, he wants to outdraw you, and he is willing to call or raise an overbet will be an astronomically small number. Complicate that with the possibility that you are up against either tptk or a set, and i think it's a money loser.
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05-10-2019 , 10:42 AM
Preflop size is terrible, flop size is terrible.
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05-12-2019 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
This will rarely work. The number of times you have a nfd, your opponent has a fd, he believes you have a premium hand, he wants to outdraw you, and he is willing to call or raise an overbet will be an astronomically small number. Complicate that with the possibility that you are up against either tptk or a set, and i think it's a money loser.
Solid point; noted and appreciated.
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05-12-2019 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
This will rarely work. The number of times you have a nfd, your opponent has a fd, he believes you have a premium hand, he wants to outdraw you, and he is willing to call or raise an overbet will be an astronomically small number. Complicate that with the possibility that you are up against either tptk or a set, and i think it's a money loser.
Also when you get called and are out of position what do you do when you miss on the turn?
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05-15-2019 , 01:47 PM
I think both pre and flop are bad. When you overbet flop 2 very bad things can happen; smaller flush draws can fold, and a raise can get you to fold. If you are going to take this line, do it with the naked Ac as a bluff that will work possibly enough to be + ev.
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05-16-2019 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by crush305
The purpose of the over bet here is to confuse them into thinking you have a made hand, and thus them drawing them self with an inferior draw incorrectly thinking they have implied odds against your made hand when they hit.
Dude your reasons for the over bet strategy are so far from being right, it’s actually laughable tbh
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06-13-2019 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Why would you ever fold if you got raised
Maybe because OP is a nit...

Never folding a FD there, man
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