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03-05-2018 , 11:42 AM
Live 5 / 10 NL game.

I raise UTG with QdQh to 40, villain 1 (solid and good player, not afraid to put chips in the pot) next to act calls, cutoff (loose player) and button (extremely loose) and BB calls. Effective stacks 1300

FLOP (200) Jc 7s 3c BB checks I bet 150, villain 1 calls, cutoff folds, button calls, BB folds.

Turn (650) 3d Check or bet? Pretty sure I need to be betting for value and protection. What sizing do you like? I think villain 1's range is AJ,KJ,JT, A3, A7, flush draws, 77. Button range is really wide so not to worried about his holding.

I bet 440 and get called only by villain 1.

River (1530) Kh I have about 670 left. What is the best line here? I would think checking since I think the only worse hand that could call is AJ and I should give him a chance to bluff at it with a missed draw.

Comments?
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03-05-2018 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by benping16
Live 5 / 10 NL game.

I raise UTG with QdQh to 40, villain 1 (solid and good player, not afraid to put chips in the pot) next to act calls, cutoff (loose player) and button (extremely loose) and BB calls. Effective stacks 1300

FLOP (200) Jc 7s 3c BB checks I bet 150, villain 1 calls, cutoff folds, button calls, BB folds.

Turn (650) 3d Check or bet? Pretty sure I need to be betting for value and protection. What sizing do you like? I think villain 1's range is AJ,KJ,JT, A3, A7, flush draws, 77. Button range is really wide so not to worried about his holding.

I bet 440 and get called only by villain 1.

River (1530) Kh I have about 670 left. What is the best line here? I would think checking since I think the only worse hand that could call is AJ and I should give him a chance to bluff at it with a missed draw.

Comments?
Tough spot. It's probably c/c or c/f depending on sizing. I think only KcJx or KQcc+ gets here that beats you. Of course there's still the good ol JJ in there too...
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03-05-2018 , 01:23 PM
If our plan is to always call when checking with a 1/3/-1/2 pot left behind should we not just always bet? I doubt villain will bother bluffing with a missed draw given the price we'll have to call. Almost all of villain's draw combos will be blocking hero's bluff combos anyway. As played I think we should just go for the third street of value as villain will probably be checking behind all his jacks anyway.

If we're hesitant to go for the third street of value here I don't think we should've sized flop and turn so large.
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03-06-2018 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AllanHouston
If our plan is to always call when checking with a 1/3/-1/2 pot left behind should we not just always bet? I doubt villain will bother bluffing with a missed draw given the price we'll have to call.
This seems accurate, consider the villain is described as a good player.

We've represented a strong hand and could have anything, a bluff here seems unlikely.

Unless our spidey sense tells us villain hit a king, then we have to bet and expect to get a fold most of the time.
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03-06-2018 , 09:19 AM
Obv sizing on earlier streets was not great

I’d actually check here. I don’t think he calls with worse even with the price. If he bets I’ll call.
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03-06-2018 , 03:51 PM
All in on river. Should have bet bigger on turn imo
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03-07-2018 , 02:00 PM
If villain is truly 'solid' as you say he is, your range for him is extremely optimistic. Good players don't call utg opens nta with cheese like AJo and A7s, and they surely don't call 3/4 flop c-bets vs half the table on J73ss with A3.

He'd likely raise flop with a set, so it's hard to believe he's full here. Your hand is pretty face up and I wouldn't be surprised if villain's range includes AA/KK/AKcc given his line and table positions. He could also have AQcc which whiffed the draw, and maaaybe AJs that will more than likely check back river.

As played river is a c/f imo.
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03-07-2018 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPrince
If villain is truly 'solid' as you say he is, your range for him is extremely optimistic. Good players don't call utg opens nta with cheese like AJo and A7s, and they surely don't call 3/4 flop c-bets vs half the table on J73ss with A3.

He'd likely raise flop with a set, so it's hard to believe he's full here. Your hand is pretty face up and I wouldn't be surprised if villain's range includes AA/KK/AKcc given his line and table positions. He could also have AQcc which whiffed the draw, and maaaybe AJs that will more than likely check back river.

As played river is a c/f imo.
I'm pretty sure this player in this loose game is 3 betting AA, KK, AK and AQ.

I think the biggest problem with the hand is the bet sizing. I bet too much on the flop and turn. I made it hard to get action with worse hands with that sizing.
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03-07-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by benping16
I'm pretty sure this player in this loose game is 3 betting AA, KK, AK and AQ.

I think the biggest problem with the hand is the bet sizing. I bet too much on the flop and turn. I made it hard to get action with worse hands with that sizing.
Many good players will flat their entire range from EP vs EP opens, especially vs tight/competent opponents. Can't think he'd 3bag you with AQ here either.
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03-08-2018 , 11:10 PM
Such a lame spot.

I probably would prefer bet allin than check fold. You could potentially get a J to call you, people are saying villain will never have AJ, I disagree. AJs could potentially be a call.

If he is good, I think some of his draws he would gii on the turn or re-raise the flop.

If you had more chips behind then check/fold is fine. but if you check here he is betting 100% of his range and you might find a hero fold. If you check you have to call. If he has KQcc it sucks but it is what it is, and he might still find a fold in some universe.
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03-09-2018 , 10:04 AM
What do you think of overbet shove the turn with QQ-AA, AKc, AQc, KQc and T9c, T8c, 89c (if those last 3 are in our utg open range)?
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03-10-2018 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by water69
What do you think of overbet shove the turn with QQ-AA, AKc, AQc, KQc and T9c, T8c, 89c (if those last 3 are in our utg open range)?

Villain really isn’t capped, not a great overbet candidate. If we do overbet though, I would prefer if we could mix in non clubs for an overbet bluff. We want villain to hold blockers and not be too obvious.

Something like AKo at some frequency, remove the T8 which isn’t in our range any way. Also something like KJ with Kclub for semi bluff.

I’m really just thinking outloud. Not a spot I like an overbet so much.

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