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1/3 - AQo facing tiny 3bet from loose-passive guy 1/3 - AQo facing tiny 3bet from loose-passive guy

03-11-2018 , 10:54 PM
$1/$3 blinds, $300 effective.

V1 is a reg, a bit loose but mostly solid. V2 is a loose-passive fish that hasn't 3bet all night.

2 limpers
Hero raises $20 MP with Ah Qc
V1 calls $20 HJ
V2 3bets $45 BTN
Hero and V1 both call

Flop ($130, 3ways) is Qd Tc 8c

Hero checks
V1 checks
V2 bets $65
Hero ??? (We have $255 behind)
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03-12-2018 , 12:48 AM
Fold pre
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03-12-2018 , 01:51 AM
At these stakes if you havent seen a V 3bet all night , emphasis on all night, just let him take it down preflop, as you can see flopping top pair with nut kicker will not be a comfortable spot , and you will most likely be playing for stacks against his 3b range , I would rather call with small suited connectors that allow you to know where you are at in the hand right away and have better chance of flopping big hands / draws against his 3b range , I don't think I would ever call a 3b with AQ against most of these low limit guys unless I've seen them capable of 3betting light and even then it would be a 4b or fold for me,
As played , I guess you have to peel the flop and see what he does on the turn , but still going back to V never 3b, these ranges always look like JJ+ , by flatting pre you have put yourself in a tough spot a large majority of the time , if he barrels turn then you'll have to go with your reads but I'm leading to folding ,
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03-12-2018 , 01:58 AM
Fold pre may seem nitty here, and maybe it is, but this hand is going to play like crap from OOP. I'm not sure what 3-bet range to give him here, but assuming the typical nitty QQ+, there are no good flops for you. You can try to chase your 3-outer to crack QQ/KK, and maybe it's worth it if he will pay off a decent post-flop bet. But you are going to whiff on this flop a lot too.

This isn't a terrible flop for you because AK can bet here with a lot of good turn cards, so there is some hope you are ahead here, but if you are going to describe villain as a loose passive fish, A reg caller still in the middle that could have smacked part of this flop, I think I'm folding here. This is a slightly ahead/way behind spot.
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03-12-2018 , 03:57 AM
I'd definitely prefer to have a low pocket pair or suited connector here, given I think V2 has KK+ the majority of the time and AQo doesn't play great against that range. However, I was still getting a great price on a call ($25 more to see a $130 flop), so I thought that even against a range of only KK and AA, I'm still getting the right pot odds to call.

For those who think that this is a fold: would you fold if he made it $40 instead of $45? What about a min 3bet of $37?
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03-12-2018 , 02:39 PM
V2 is a loose passive fish that hasn't 3bet all night and has position on us? Even though the raise is minnish, this isn't the hand we want to call 3bets with (as they are simply too often dominated; if we're going to call, call with a non-dominated hand like a setmining hand or something). Trivial fold preflop, imo.

The flop is why we don't call preflop.

Anyhoo, even if I did manage to get here, I'd probably just fold the flop. Every typical 3betting hand flopped anything from massive equity to good equity on this flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-12-2018 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6bet me
However, I was still getting a great price on a call ($25 more to see a $130 flop), so I thought that even against a range of only KK and AA, I'm still getting the right pot odds to call.
If you were going to be all-in preflop, then maybe you have an argument.

The problem is that you aren't going to be all-in. So, what are your IO when you flop better than your opponent (you winning much vs KK on a A high flop?) versus your RIO (such as might be going on in this hand)?

GcluelessIOvsRIOnoobG
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03-13-2018 , 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If you were going to be all-in preflop, then maybe you have an argument.

The problem is that you aren't going to be all-in. So, what are your IO when you flop better than your opponent (you winning much vs KK on a A high flop?) versus your RIO (such as might be going on in this hand)?

GcluelessIOvsRIOnoobG
Hmm I guess this is true... especially if villain has a combo or two of AK in his range, that could cause RIO on Axx boards, not to mention an Axx board where V2 has top set. Plus I'm OOP. So I see your point.

I know this might sound silly, but part of the reason I called was for image purposes too. I thought it looks ridiculous to fold to such a small 3bet and there might be implications for that later on. But maybe that's poor logic.

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero folds
V1 calls $65

Turn ($260, HU) is Qd Tc 8c 8s

V1 checks
V2 bets $90
V1 folds and shows a Queen
V2 mucks and shows a King

I'm almost certain that V2 had KK here, since he would've shown both cards if he was bluffing.
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