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1/2 two tough spots against pro, line check 1/2 two tough spots against pro, line check

11-16-2018 , 05:57 AM
Small room in Korea, rarely gets two tables but quite a bit of money flows through it. Game is 1/2 but cap is $1000 so can quite big.

V is prop player/pro, decent, aggressive, probably over limps too much with pretty hands but maybe not given stacks are often very table. Views hero as a tight/toughish player, knows I play online, possibly thinks I'm better than I am, probably knows I hate to fold.

Table is 6 handed.

Hand 1 (Hero is effective stack with $400ish)

4 limps to hero who checks BB with QTo.

Flop is T23r and hero leads $10, 2 fold, V raises to $30 in CO, 1 fold and hero calls.

Turn is T23 8, hero x/c $40.

River is T23 8 2, hero checks, V bets $75, hero ?


Hand 2 effective stacks $250 (sp for hand 1)

Must be 3 hands later hero opens CO to $6 with KJss and V calls in the BB.

A queen was exposed preflop, burnt and then flipped back over. After I raised the BTN asked what the exposed card was and the dealer flipped it back over and inadvertently flipped a 9 and T from the muck too.

Flop comes J94r, hero bet's $10 and V calls.

Turn J94 K, hero bets $20 and V x/raises to $50. Hero calls.

River J94 K 6. V bets $90, hero ?

Last edited by dogarse; 11-16-2018 at 06:12 AM.
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11-16-2018 , 06:45 AM
H1 - I hate playing big pots with one pair with average kicker in a limped pot. Multi-way I’m ok with the lead.. I don’t know if it’s too weak to fold to one raise on the flop but it’s clearly escalated to a much bigger pot we want to play very quickly. Felt like we were getting value owned before getting to H2.

H2 - on the turn I’m committed to this hand. I call turn and snap call river. Btw the turn bet is so weak and inducing that it makes river easy call. Bet should be much larger for value, I’m trying to build as big a pot here with top two and a possibly tilted image
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11-16-2018 , 08:05 AM
H1, fold to the flop raise, not close. How are you hoping the rest of the hand plays out?

H2 equally clear calldown. Not even considering folding, closer to raising river but not really a good idea because V's range is likely polarized.
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11-16-2018 , 08:36 AM
Hand 1- iso to like 12-16? This sizing is going to get hella folds and hand is easier to play heads up or against 2 players post flop. I feel checking bb here is bad. What do people limp? Trash hands. Take control of the betting action by raising pre.
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11-16-2018 , 08:55 AM
If raising does get folds then I agree it's the way to go, but I suspect it gets all calls because the game is so deep.
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11-16-2018 , 09:10 AM
No offense but these are not tough spots. They are pretty standard spots that happen all the time.

#1) Fold to the flop raise unless you have some read that you didnt give us.
#2) All options are open. Im OK, calling down. Im OK reraising turn. Im OK shoving the river. What I really dont like is the preflop raise to $6...but that's me.
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11-16-2018 , 03:10 PM
H1: ez fold to flop raise

H2: Raise bigger pre. AP turn/river is gross but I guess I call. If 10 wasn't exposed i'd be inclined to fold river. Wdy mean the Q was burnt and flipped back over?
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11-16-2018 , 06:57 PM
The Q was exposed while dealer was dealing then when she finished she turned it over and put it in the muck. After two people folded another player asked what the exposed card was and she took it from the muck to show and accidentally flipped over a 9 and T as well so Q, T, 9 were all exposed.
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11-16-2018 , 07:04 PM
I think hand #1 is closer than it looks, especially with that river and aggro V IP.

V is aggro and IP, so he could do this with 45s or A5, and barrel lots of scare cards OTT. Does he really limp behind AT? So his range is mostly 33, busted draws or a few combos of KT,QT (not all combos go for 3 streets).

Getting 2:1, I can name enough bluffs to justify a call.
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11-16-2018 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza
I think hand #1 is closer than it looks, especially with that river and aggro V IP.

V is aggro and IP, so he could do this with 45s or A5, and barrel lots of scare cards OTT. Does he really limp behind AT? So his range is mostly 33, busted draws or a few combos of KT,QT (not all combos go for 3 streets).

Getting 2:1, I can name enough bluffs to justify a call.
The problem with these sort of hands is that nothing ever changes from the flop onwards. V asserts he has a very strong hand. If you want to call him a liar, you're going to have to call down three streets. If V has a bluff he's going to continue to bluff, people don't just give up on these bluffs mid hand. Our hand is very static and drawing virtually dead against what V is representing. To take these hands street by street misses what is actually going on here. When he raises flop I have to decide whether I'm up for putting in the $135 or more that I am going to have to call to see V's hand, because I'm going to have to call three streets every time. I therefore want V to be bluffing almost 50% of the time.
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11-16-2018 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
The problem with these sort of hands is that nothing ever changes from the flop onwards. V asserts he has a very strong hand. If you want to call him a liar, you're going to have to call down three streets. If V has a bluff he's going to continue to bluff, people don't just give up on these bluffs mid hand. Our hand is very static and drawing virtually dead against what V is representing. To take these hands street by street misses what is actually going on here. When he raises flop I have to decide whether I'm up for putting in the $135 or more that I am going to have to call to see V's hand, because I'm going to have to call three streets every time. I therefore want V to be bluffing almost 50% of the time.
I hear what you're saying, and I agree. I am bet-folding this spot 90% of the time vs avg LLSNL V's.

However, when you tag this guy as aggro and lead TP, you pretty much have to call down here on that runout. This guy is printing if you don't. He has even fewer value hands OTR and looks more bluff heavy when he bets 3 streets.

**Perhaps the better choice would be to check-call since we have a RARE V capable of bluffing this board.
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11-16-2018 , 07:32 PM
Yeah, I would check call if I thought I had opponents who are more likely to make overaggression mistakes than call too much. I'm not that worried about being bluffed here given that we bet out 5 ways, we are uncapped here due to BB special possibilities, and V's view of us is supposed to be "probably knows I hate to fold". V could certainly have 45s but that's probably (without checking) nearly 40% against us so whatever. We're going to have 22, 33, 23, T2, T3 here. QT is probably the bottom of my leading range in terms of made hands.
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11-17-2018 , 12:11 AM
Hand 1: I'm folding flop. Until I see he is getting reckless on dry flops.

Hand 2: River is call
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11-17-2018 , 01:35 AM
Hand 1 fold flop, hand 2 call. Seems pretty straightforward
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11-17-2018 , 01:50 AM
H1: you have a stronger range than villain so when you hold a weak 1 pair hand it's a pretty easy fold when you get raised.

H2: if you think villain has k9and k4 in his range it's a call, otherwise probably still folding despite the exposed cards.
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