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09-06-2017 , 03:11 PM
2-5-10 3K effective. Villain has been fairly snug, seems competent, and haven't really seen him get out of line. Hero has been 3 bet happy preflop, but only because I've been getting smashed with the deck. I've only shown down AA, KK, AK, when people don't believe me.

Preflop. Villain makes it 35 from HJ, hero 3 bets to 100 with AKo, villain is the only caller.

Flop is 876 rainbow. Check Check

Turn is King completing the rainbow

Check, hero bets 120, villain c/r to 475.
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09-06-2017 , 04:12 PM
You are btn? Its a bad flop but id just bet it most of the time vs someone not bad. We cant make any A-high floats on turns and he still has a alot of broadways (yes, i realize we are ahead of) that we can just bet and win against.

As played I would check turn bc its obvious we are capped at one pair and good players have been going crazy in spots like this in 2017.

As as played. Yes. Fold.
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09-07-2017 , 01:59 AM
More pre 135 looks better here. There's so many reasons to pick a larger size pf
Flop is standard. Betting would be pretty silly protection betting ak isn't a thing in this spot

B/f turn is fine your not getting exploited
and your a bit capped and kinda face up. But again who cares cuz it's unlikely dude is on some level like yea he always is called at one pair I'm going for delayed cr bluff and bomb every riv cuz he can never call down w ak

I like to check back turn in spots like this a somewhat hi % and let villain cap his range a little bit more by checking river and then you can go for a pretty big size otr. One street is about the max your getting anyway.
But as played I like folding vs most of the population
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09-07-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
You are btn?
Sorry I forgot to add I was CO
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09-07-2017 , 02:59 PM
Think Ava nailed it

Vs a competent villain I'm happy to check turn back and basically call any river. Against weaker comp I think b/f is fine

I don't think I would cbet either especially if I'm 3betting a ton and have a feeling people are goin to start taking a stand
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09-07-2017 , 05:57 PM
There really can't be that many bluffs in his range given this spot.. he's not berkey. Have to fold. I like checking turn here like others have suggested. You fold out air and can induce reraise by super strong hands when you bet.

Almost all rivers are good cards for us as they don't kill our action and also make us seem weak to villain who can now bluff comfortably or check call with a wide and weak range.

I like 3betting to 125. but I don't know. You guys are mad deep and I don't know those dynamics. Getting called by a dominated hand with position is a pretty good deal...


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09-11-2017 , 07:43 PM
It's a b/c IMO. If he goes crazy on the river, I would probably fold but I don,t see myself folding the turn when it went c/c on flop.
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09-26-2017 , 11:06 PM
I think we should have considered his range at flop...

What types of hand is he likely to call u preflop given that u have been 3 betting frequently?

In a vacuum, against most competent players, I would say 56s+, A5s+, AT+, 22+, and perhaps suited one gapper.

This flop is quite bad for you as it hits quite a number of his ranges. At flop, when he called your cbet, he could have two pairs, made straight, tonnes of draws, overpairs. I don't hate c betting but checking this flop seems fine also.

At turn, I think u should have check. Betting here only serve to fold most of the hands you already beat, for eg poclet pairs 22-QQ. Checking also allows him to bluff u if he actually floated at flop.

As played, u have to fold.
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09-27-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Andnoel
I think we should have considered his range at flop...

What types of hand is he likely to call u preflop given that u have been 3 betting frequently?

In a vacuum, against most competent players, I would say 56s+, A5s+, AT+, 22+, and perhaps suited one gapper.

This flop is quite bad for you as it hits quite a number of his ranges. At flop, when he called your cbet, he could have two pairs, made straight, tonnes of draws, overpairs. I don't hate c betting but checking this flop seems fine also.

At turn, I think u should have check. Betting here only serve to fold most of the hands you already beat, for eg poclet pairs 22-QQ. Checking also allows him to bluff u if he actually floated at flop.

As played, u have to fold.
I did check the flop
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09-27-2017 , 05:49 PM
Your hand looks like AK. What villains are going to x/r this turn as a bluff? Not many are going to be thinking, "he knows I know he looks like he has AK, so a x/r here looks crazy strong and I can get him to fold all one pair hands."

Because of this, b/f turn.
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09-28-2017 , 06:16 PM
I like bigger pre, maybe 125. As for flop, I just c-bet half pot here most of the time.

As played, Villain's bigger c/r sizing makes me want to call. If he had a nutted hand and truly 'put you on AK' he'd likely give you a more enticing price.
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09-28-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rbenuck4
I did check the flop
My bad...miss read that ...

Given its check check on the flop, and he check again on the turn, I think betting turn is alright but I would still have prefer a check most of the time.

Reason?

Your hand has probably 1 street of value left. It's either turn or river. I highly doubt you will get two streets of value at turn and river. As such, checking at turn is fine.

Betting turn is fine too as a balance for the time when u are bluffing turn with no made hand. As played, folding to a check raise is fine as he certainly represent a strong hand here. If he ever wants to bluff u off a TPTK, so be it. Don't see how calling the check raise is profitable in the long run
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09-29-2017 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pocketzeroes
Your hand looks like AK. What villains are going to x/r this turn as a bluff? Not many are going to be thinking, "he knows I know he looks like he has AK, so a x/r here looks crazy strong and I can get him to fold all one pair hands."

Because of this, b/f turn.
I agree with pocketzeroes and his reasoning. I would b/f turn also. I think checking back turn allows for too many garbage hands to out draw you. I believe you can also get further value from KQ and KJ hands.

I'd also like to note that if you have 98s or 97s in this spot I think it would be great to call the turn check-raise. If a str8 completes on the river you probably will get some good return out of his likely set.
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