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Old 01-31-2015, 04:42 PM   #51
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has anyone received any PMs about buying 5k chips at a discount?
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Old 01-31-2015, 09:58 PM   #52
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Sorry for the confusion but I did not get such pm.
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I assume you are either Daniel's friend or asking in relation to his situation.
Good luck with that.
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After reading that thread from the shot taking poster, I got an idea. I think it would be neat to have a "run it up" challenge where you start at 1/2 and see how far you can run it in a single session.

I think I'll try at least once a month, with the only stipulation being you must hit 100bbs for the next stake jump. Meaning starting at 1/2 you must run it up to $500 before going to 2/5, and from there $1K before going to 5/10. (Having a lucky short stack run starting at 5/10 doesnt seem as glamorous)

I think the biggest hurdle for most posters here would be starting at 1/2 and not wanting to commit suicide after 10 minutes LOL
this is a really cool idea

so lets say you lose your first shot at 1/2
are you done? or can you reload and run it up to 600 instead of 400 before moving on?

if you lose at 2/5, can you go back to 1/2 and start over?

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This is so weird I was just talking to my housemate about trying this. Wanted to try and get to T/25 starting at 1/2.
let me know if you guys are doing it, may join in

the problem is 10/25 hasnt been getting off the ground recently


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Now I kinda wanna do a propbet/challenge. Take a 1/2 br and turn it into 5/10 br in 6 months or something. I don't know what will be harder; staying disciplined enough to play the game for my br or to find someone to bet against me
probably hard enough to find someone who lacks enough intelligence to bet against you with correct odds
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Old 02-02-2015, 02:55 PM   #55
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this is a really cool idea

so lets say you lose your first shot at 1/2
are you done? or can you reload and run it up to 600 instead of 400 before moving on?

if you lose at 2/5, can you go back to 1/2 and start over?



let me know if you guys are doing it, may join in

the problem is 10/25 hasnt been getting off the ground recently




probably hard enough to find someone who lacks enough intelligence to bet against you with correct odds
The problem I'm having is putting in the column.
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this is a really cool idea

so lets say you lose your first shot at 1/2
are you done? or can you reload and run it up to 600 instead of 400 before moving on?

if you lose at 2/5, can you go back to 1/2 and start over?
Ha thanks. I was surprised at the positive interest, was half expecting "lol 1/2"

In my mind I was thinking it would be neat if you could trace a big run to an original $200 investment. But I mean giving up if you get stacked once at 1/2 seems silly. But lol stacking off 5 buy ins till you get one to $500 also seems silly so I guess there's some middle ground.

I actually had a shot at this the other day and didn't even think about it. Doubled my bi at 1/2 in the 12 minutes I was there (barg), then got called for 2/5. If I was thinking I would have stayed at 1/2 to try to win $100 more before going to 2/5, which I also did well at. Was pretty upset when I realized I missed the opportunity.
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I like the thread title change. It seems we don't need monthly. I was going to start a yearly LC thread but this seems to work fine.

That was a great game yesterday. It was like a suck, resuck bad beat. I honestly am still in shock that you have a running back that is the baddest dude on the planet and you throw the ball on 2nd and 1. Yes I know it is results oriented but if you simply hand him the ball 3 times the chance that you are world champs is very close to 100%.
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I like the thread title change. It seems we don't need monthly. I was going to start a yearly LC thread but this seems to work fine.

That was a great game yesterday. It was like a suck, resuck bad beat. I honestly am still in shock that you have a running back that is the baddest dude on the planet and you throw the ball on 2nd and 1. Yes I know it is results oriented but if you simply hand him the ball 3 times the chance that you are world champs is very close to 100%.
The best conspiracy theory I've seen on the net is that the NFL put pressure on Carroll to throw and avoid the likelihood of making Lynch the MVP. I don't buy it, you'd have to kill too many people to avoid it eventually leaking out. But that was obv one of the worst play calls of all time.
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I like the thread title change. It seems we don't need monthly. I was going to start a yearly LC thread but this seems to work fine.

That was a great game yesterday. It was like a suck, resuck bad beat. I honestly am still in shock that you have a running back that is the baddest dude on the planet and you throw the ball on 2nd and 1. Yes I know it is results oriented but if you simply hand him the ball 3 times the chance that you are world champs is very close to 100%.
If you hand it off on 2nd down and don't get in you have to burn your final timeout, and then you have to pass on 3rd down. Then you can do whatever you want on 4th down. If you pass on 2nd down you can run or pass on both 3rd and 4th down. That's the math of a ticking clock with 20 seconds and 1 TO left. And 3 plays where your opponent can't eliminate run from your playbook are better than 2/3- unless chance of turnover is too great by passing on 2nd down, which I think is super results oriented to say that it is (there were 0 int's from the 1 this year in the NFL, and likely a decent amount of fumbles on running plays from there).

Belichek ****ed up by not calling a timeout after the 1st down run--> you have to give Brady a chance at a game tying/winning drive after Sea scores the inevitable TD (you just have to!). He also brought in his goal line personnel before Sea brought in theirs. It's debatable whether this was an error or not. Regardless, it made pass a much better play than run matchup wise for Sea who still had their 3 wr set in the game for at least 1 more play.

I think the int was a fluke. In addition to int's just not really happening from the 1 ever, we are not talking about some sketchy QB in RW. Also, the kid they went after was unproven to say the least. He just made a great (perhaps miraculous) play.

Sidenote: I had the under big and Sea big. As a special little needle (which seems pretty par for the course for me at this point), I had the guy the pass was thrown to (Lockette) to score the last TD in the game at +1500--> I think I am finally disenchanted enough to stop leaking my life away on sports and flips (which are pretty much the same thing ofc). You don't have to lose every time in every way possible, but you can. At least in poker you can get em drawing to a chop and then you get your money back .
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If you hand it off on 2nd down and don't get in you have to burn your final timeout, and then you have to pass on 3rd down. Then you can do whatever you want on 4th down. If you pass on 2nd down you can run or pass on both 3rd and 4th down. That's the math of a ticking clock with 20 seconds and 1 TO left. And 3 plays where your opponent can't eliminate run from your playbook are better than 2/3- unless chance of turnover is too great by passing on 2nd down, which I think is super results oriented to say that it is (there were 0 int's from the 1 this year in the NFL, and likely a decent amount of fumbles on running plays from there).

Belichek ****ed up by not calling a timeout after the 1st down run--> you have to give Brady a chance at a game tying/winning drive after Sea scores the inevitable TD (you just have to!). He also brought in his goal line personnel before Sea brought in theirs. It's debatable whether this was an error or not. Regardless, it made pass a much better play than run matchup wise for Sea who still had their 3 wr set in the game for at least 1 more play.

I think the int was a fluke. In addition to int's just not really happening from the 1 ever, we are not talking about some sketchy QB in RW. Also, the kid they went after was unproven to say the least. He just made a great (perhaps miraculous) play.

Sidenote: I had the under big and Sea big. As a special little needle (which seems pretty par for the course for me at this point), I had the guy the pass was thrown to (Lockette) to score the last TD in the game at +1500--> I think I am finally disenchanted enough to stop leaking my life away on sports and flips (which are pretty much the same thing ofc). You don't have to lose every time in every way possible, but you can. At least in poker you can get em drawingd to a chop and then you get your money back .
I've been checking out the responses in the sports thread and maybe it was not a totally bad choice to throw, but I'd still say throwing over the middle into that kind of defense is pretty sketchy. And as a casual fan just reading the emotion we saw on both teams on TV I'd have been pretty surprised if Lynch could not have busted it in on the next play or two.

Apparently the 2+2 experts are divided as to whether it was a terrible choice by Belicheck not to call the time out, or a tricky play to make them throw on second. Who knows.

Sorry to hear you lost the bets but maybe it will finally convince you that sticking to poker is more EV than sports betting
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I didn't realize they only had 1 time out but what does that matter? You run on 2nd down and the game is very likely to be over. If they hero stop you then you use your TO and got 3rd down to throw and 4th to do whatever you need to do. RW on a bootleg type roll out play on 3rd will allow him to make excellent decisions and we already had evidence they couldn't tackle him in the open field. So, if they do get pressure he can throw it away. Of course it is somewhat results oriented but that doesn't mean the call wasn't bad. Marshawn Lynch dude. Marshawn mother****ing Lynch.
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I didn't realize they only had 1 time out but what does that matter? You run on 2nd down and the game is very likely to be over. If they hero stop you then you use your TO and got 3rd down to throw and 4th to do whatever you need to do. RW on a bootleg type roll out play on 3rd will allow him to make excellent decisions and we already had evidence they couldn't tackle him in the open field. So, if they do get pressure he can throw it away. Of course it is somewhat results oriented but that doesn't mean the call wasn't bad. Marshawn Lynch dude. Marshawn mother****ing Lynch.
It's actually not that easy to run for even 1 yard against a goal line D- especially if you don't have your goal line O in (even if you have Beast mother ****ing Mode in the backfield ).
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I've been checking out the responses in the sports thread and maybe it was not a totally bad choice to throw, but I'd still say throwing over the middle into that kind of defense is pretty sketchy. And as a casual fan just reading the emotion we saw on both teams on TV I'd have been pretty surprised if Lynch could not have busted it in on the next play or two.

Apparently the 2+2 experts are divided as to whether it was a terrible choice by Belicheck not to call the time out, or a tricky play to make them throw on second. Who knows.

Sorry to hear you lost the bets but maybe it will finally convince you that sticking to poker is more EV than sports betting
Is there any chance they would be divided had SEA got in (one way or another) and Brady was left with 3 timeouts but not enough time on the clock to get more than 1 snap off?
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Anyway the main reason I did my challenge/prophet was because 2014 saw me play the fewest total hours pretty much since I started playing poker. Im hoping it will somehow relight the spark I once had for the game. There are a lot of smaller factors like possibly playing for a living once I'm unemployed, but really I just want to prove to myself I can do it. I have to say tho, there are some 1/2 games that are so brutal that I couldn't take it and had to jump to something bigger. One of the things I've noticed playing smaller is how many tells players give off. This used to be such a big part of my game I really got away from. Its also kinda fun jumping back and forth between 1/2 and 5/10 where I'll play a hand 1 way and know that could have never happened in the other limit. Also in 1/2 decisions are so much easier and less stressful I can actually get a decent amount of work in between hands.
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It's actually not that easy to run for even 1 yard against a goal line D- especially if you don't have your goal line O in (even if you have Beast mother ****ing Mode in the backfield ).
It looks like you have been reading this:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-pete-carroll/

At the risk of making a simple counter argument, it is also not very easy to stop a surging line and a very big, very strong back. Goal line D or not.

This article seems overly simplistic and flawed based on a few things. First, they mention the number of times things happen this year. That is a silly outcome measure and they should use a way larger sample. Then, they talk about Brady being able to stack the odds due to his brilliance and the fact that the pats kicker has a serious leg and track record for long kicks. However, they conveniently ignore the much larger factor that the kickoff is no longer from the 35 yard line and the ratio touchbacks is so much higher now. I mean are we really concerned that we are going to giver Brady too much time? For the love of god we are talking about 20 seconds. Yeah if it was 60 seconds there could be an argument for not just getting into the house immediately but 3 time outs or 30 time outs you can put god himself under center and I will take my chances.


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Is there any chance they would be divided had SEA got in (one way or another) and Brady was left with 3 timeouts but not enough time on the clock to get more than 1 snap off?
Not a real concern. As stated above, you got a spot where Brady has to move them 40 yards AND the kicker needs to nail a 57 yarder in 20 seconds to TIE. I like those chances if I am SEA.
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I recommend everyone try the shot-taking challenge. I'm a pro at it now after attempting it countless times as my main strat for jumping limits at a quicker pace than the traditional methods you come across on 2p2.

took a few months and a ridiculous amount of volume, but eventually was successful in turning a few hundo into a decent 5/10 roll. went busto i think 6 times and had to really get creative w getting enough to start at 1/2 again when i hit zero.

the most amusing part would be when dealers would see me short stacking 1/2, and return the next day to see me with like 800bb at 5/10. I think the most I had at any point before going busto was 12k. I play super LAG and obv spew my brains out all over the table.

pretty well rolled after a good couple weeks for 5/10. I still dont get how it takes so long for live pros to move up to at least 5/10, and spend months/years/decades? at llsnl. didnt guys like Ivey and laak sort of lay out the work ethic blue print for rising up stakes at all costs?
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It looks like you have been reading this:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-pete-carroll/

At the risk of making a simple counter argument, it is also not very easy to stop a surging line and a very big, very strong back. Goal line D or not.

This article seems overly simplistic and flawed based on a few things. First, they mention the number of times things happen this year. That is a silly outcome measure and they should use a way larger sample. Then, they talk about Brady being able to stack the odds due to his brilliance and the fact that the pats kicker has a serious leg and track record for long kicks. However, they conveniently ignore the much larger factor that the kickoff is no longer from the 35 yard line and the ratio touchbacks is so much higher now. I mean are we really concerned that we are going to giver Brady too much time? For the love of god we are talking about 20 seconds. Yeah if it was 60 seconds there could be an argument for not just getting into the house immediately but 3 time outs or 30 time outs you can put god himself under center and I will take my chances.




Not a real concern. As stated above, you got a spot where Brady has to move them 40 yards AND the kicker needs to nail a 57 yarder in 20 seconds to TIE. I like those chances if I am SEA.
Lynch got tackled at the 1 with plenty of time left/way more than 20 seconds.
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Lynch got tackled at the 1 with plenty of time left/way more than 20 seconds.
There was 26 seconds left. So I guess that is "way more."

If there was really more time then this while discussion would be moot since they could just run it 4 times. I will concede that after reading the articles on it that the decision is closer than I originally thought but I still don't think it is very close.
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Not going to quote your post Niceguy but that is not even funny. I can't understand the urge to create a new account and post this as my first post. Simply retarded but I suspect it gets deleted very fast anyway.
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I still dont get how it takes so long for live pros to move up to at least 5/10, and spend months/years/decades? at llsnl. didnt guys like Ivey and laak sort of lay out the work ethic blue print for rising up stakes at all costs?
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Anyway the main reason I did my challenge/prophet was because 2014 saw me play the fewest total hours pretty much since I started playing poker. Im hoping it will somehow relight the spark I once had for the game. There are a lot of smaller factors like possibly playing for a living once I'm unemployed, but really I just want to prove to myself I can do it. I have to say tho, there are some 1/2 games that are so brutal that I couldn't take it and had to jump to something bigger. One of the things I've noticed playing smaller is how many tells players give off. This used to be such a big part of my game I really got away from. Its also kinda fun jumping back and forth between 1/2 and 5/10 where I'll play a hand 1 way and know that could have never happened in the other limit. Also in 1/2 decisions are so much easier and less stressful I can actually get a decent amount of work in between hands.

this is pretty much why i'd take action against anyone who plays higher normally on this if we stipulate that you absoutely cannot play any other game outside your 1/2 roll. (no "cheating" in other words). And also especially within 6months - you need to run sick hot and find the most absurd 1/2 lineups.

i've only known one guy who had a 15K run at 1/2 over 2 months maybe 3 months max. I'd even say he's pretty damn close to being alone with that figure as well.

Personally i wouldnt be able to run the 1/2 roll up but simply due to completely to how brutal playing that game would be.
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1/2 is still my most profitable game considering only bbs, which is interesting bc rake affects bbs/100 the most there.

The brutal aspect is the players not being familiar with poker. Like in 5/10 if the dealer is dealing and flips an A to someone, someone else makes a joke and we all just continue talking or whatever. In 1/2 the floor needs to be called to explain to the person the A is not his and is now the burn, then they berate the dealer, then an Ace hits on the flop (this is guaranteed 100%), more berating, then table discusses this bad luck and poor floor ruling and bad dealer skills for the next 8 hours.

But bb/hr wise nothing beats 1/2. Someone lead/called it off the other night into me on AK5cc with red 33 because "they thought I was bullying the table" (I had raised like 2 hands in the 15 minutes I was there)

I hope this doesn't out me but I most enjoy 1/2 because it adds to the leveling factor I have with the 5/10 regs who probably think I'm scared money because I don't play it full time (40% 5/10, 55% 2/5, 5% 1/2)
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I think if I had done the bet for a lot of money it wouldn't be so bad, but as of right now I think I have only played about 3 days of poker. My last session the guy on my right never knew when the action was on him pre even when he was utg and then yelled at other people for slowing the game down. Apparently he was even a reg. I managed a 10 hr session down 80 bucks lol, my BBS/hr is now single digits
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What did you decide on this? Considering Elite Finish in Miramar.
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What did you decide on this? Considering Elite Finish in Miramar.
With a lot of purchases I get the product just below the top of the line as it is often the best value. When it comes to this car I am a bit fanatical so I decided to just go with whatever the best was. It turns out that is using both xpel ultimate AND Cquartz. My car is being done by Evan Rowe at auto Armour LLC. The interesting thing is my car is there right now and when I dropped it off I see an elite sign and then met a guy named Wes that I guess owns elite. When I looked up elite it is on the same location as where my car is so I guess they are sharing space in the miramar location. I get the feeling that Evan is the go to guy in San Diego for paint protection film and Wes is the CQuartz guy. If you want to see their work PM me. Both have stellar reps and their shop was very clean and badass. I kind of want to go hang with them today and just watch but that seems a little over the top.
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