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05-08-2018 , 01:11 AM
Hero SB
Villain UTG+3 (Plays a lot of hands pre and seems like a call station for the short time I was there)

Villain 5000$ stack
Hero 2000$ stack

Villain limps 10$
BTN raises 40$
Hero re-raise 140$
Villain calls 140$
BTN Folds

Hero AK

Flop KQ6

Hero bets 220$
Villain calls 220$

Turn 2c (KQ62)

Hero bets 650$
Villain calls 650$

River As (KQ62A)

Hero check
Villain all in

Ended up calling and villain flipped over set of queens

What should I have done different?
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05-08-2018 , 01:14 AM
it sounds like this is just a bad beat story unless the Q is asking if you should value bet river?

never folding river and betting turn seems standard vs. station who limp/calls
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05-08-2018 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
it sounds like this is just a bad beat story unless the Q is asking if you should value bet river?

never folding river and betting turn seems standard vs. station who limp/calls
Yaaa feel like I could've maybe lowered my bet sizing and got away from it once the ace hit or something.
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05-08-2018 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Yaaa feel like I could've maybe lowered my bet sizing and got away from it once the ace hit or something.


yeah i mean maybe you can size river small then consider fold to raise (because rec stations usually don’t raise OTR light)
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05-08-2018 , 07:32 AM
There is $990 behind and over $2000 in the pot when the river card is dealt, so no you can't small bet / fold.

You should jam the river yourself btw as Villain will have lots of AQ and busted nut flush draws that may call a jam but usually check back.
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05-08-2018 , 06:08 PM
Move to bbv you’re trying to put as much $ in as possibilie here
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05-09-2018 , 07:02 PM
I would jam river. if im checking its to snap call
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05-09-2018 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
There is $990 behind and over $2000 in the pot when the river card is dealt, so no you can't small bet / fold.

You should jam the river yourself btw as Villain will have lots of AQ and busted nut flush draws that may call a jam but usually check back.

yeah I misread and thought $5k was eff stack size remaining. jam river best
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05-10-2018 , 03:55 AM
Seems like a super standard hand except you c/c river instead of jamming.
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05-10-2018 , 01:25 PM
Honestly, what flush draws could villain really have? Do we think he's calling Axs out of position against a 3-bet? We're blocking AA and KK But QQ and JJ might play this a similar way. (I don't like the limp in first position ever with these hands, but whatever.)

And of those hands, what's calling down that board for 2 streets?

AJs (Bit of a stetch)
QQ
AK+AQc
KK (and we're lbocking)

KQ probably raises the flop, and likely folds preflop.
Axs Likely folds preflop
JJ probably folds flop and definitely turn.

So:

KK - 1
AQc - 1
AKc -1
AK - 4
QQ - 3
AJc - 1

Against 4 hand you lose, 4 you tie, and 2 you win.

And if you don't think villain is bluffing this river, then that even leaves less chance of AJc.

I probably would have checked turn to allow flush draws to bluff the river and control the pot. The check call the river. The pot wouldn't really be enough for him to jam the river and get you off two pair
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05-10-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
Honestly, what flush draws could villain really have? Do we think he's calling Axs out of position against a 3-bet? We're blocking AA and KK But QQ and JJ might play this a similar way. (I don't like the limp in first position ever with these hands, but whatever.)

And of those hands, what's calling down that board for 2 streets?

AJs (Bit of a stetch)
QQ
AK+AQc
KK (and we're lbocking)

KQ probably raises the flop, and likely folds preflop.
Axs Likely folds preflop
JJ probably folds flop and definitely turn.

So:

KK - 1
AQc - 1
AKc -1
AK - 4
QQ - 3
AJc - 1

Against 4 hand you lose, 4 you tie, and 2 you win.

And if you don't think villain is bluffing this river, then that even leaves less chance of AJc.

I probably would have checked turn to allow flush draws to bluff the river and control the pot. The check call the river. The pot wouldn't really be enough for him to jam the river and get you off two pair


this guy is described as a station who’s limp/calling 3b with QQ and we want to assign him this heavy of value range??

he’s probably got all the worse Ax two pair, some other two pairs, and Ax one pair some % of the time here. i want that full stack
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05-10-2018 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
this guy is described as a station who’s limp/calling 3b with QQ and we want to assign him this heavy of value range??

he’s probably got all the worse Ax two pair, some other two pairs, and Ax one pair some % of the time here. i want that full stack
I dunno man, even a calling station, still has to call 13 more BB's. That usually means something to them. Passive or not, you'll find more often than not they have something on the stronger side in that spot. I've played with this guy (not this particular guy, but the type of guy) many times before and they alll play jacks and queens 10's very similar to this. we might be able to assign AJ of diamonds with this line, but I honestly don't think you're ever seeing worse than that. Any Ax that's not diamonds is folding the flop. And I think if dude had Axd he's not shoving the river if he's really a calling station. Even AJd isn't shoving in that spot. You really think he's calling down two streets of heavy betting with less than the range shown up above?
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05-10-2018 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
Honestly, what flush draws could villain really have? Do we think he's calling Axs out of position against a 3-bet? We're blocking AA and KK But QQ and JJ might play this a similar way. (I don't like the limp in first position ever with these hands, but whatever.)

And of those hands, what's calling down that board for 2 streets?

AJs (Bit of a stetch)
QQ
AK+AQc
KK (and we're lbocking)

KQ probably raises the flop, and likely folds preflop.
Axs Likely folds preflop
JJ probably folds flop and definitely turn.

So:

KK - 1
AQc - 1
AKc -1
AK - 4
QQ - 3
AJc - 1

Against 4 hand you lose, 4 you tie, and 2 you win.

And if you don't think villain is bluffing this river, then that even leaves less chance of AJc.

I probably would have checked turn to allow flush draws to bluff the river and control the pot. The check call the river. The pot wouldn't really be enough for him to jam the river and get you off two pair

This is way 2 passive and just suboptimal. You’re trying to make highest ev play you can not dodge monsters under ur bed. You don’t know what he has but you beat enough value hands that playing bet bet shove is gonna be highest ev line by a mile. If you’re playing any kind of serious poker you should been up on game by now. Gl
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05-10-2018 , 05:22 PM
(Consult pio for further review on this topic)
Or just keep pushing buttons for thousands of dollars
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05-10-2018 , 07:38 PM
Danny, Villain of this description is clearly a fish with weak fundamentals. You should watch an episode or two of PokerTime on YouTube, which is a live 5/10 game with a holecard camera. People cold call 3bs with 74s and call two 2/3 pot bets multiway in bad position with a gutshot to a nonnut straight. Hesitating with top two against players of this calliber is like taking a chainsaw to your winrate.

Last edited by AllTheCheese; 05-10-2018 at 07:45 PM.
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05-11-2018 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Danny, Villain of this description is clearly a fish with weak fundamentals. You should watch an episode or two of PokerTime on YouTube, which is a live 5/10 game with a holecard camera. People cold call 3bs with 74s and call two 2/3 pot bets multiway in bad position with a gutshot to a nonnut straight. Hesitating with top two against players of this calliber is like taking a chainsaw to your winrate.
Thanks for the recommendation, I always like watching these types of videos will check it out. My experience has very rarely been as what you've described, but maybe it's a different type of game. I've seen fish like this, but when they see a rasie and a reriase before they act, I never see them putting that sort of money in there and THEN play the hand the way they did without something on the stronger side. I don't spend my hands, "hiding under the bed" as the other guy said, but to be fair, I do tend to play small ball. I'm not saying my play is perfect, but I'm a winning player, and I do play at 5/10 live. I'm always trying to learn however, I will check that video out.
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05-11-2018 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
You should watch an episode or two of PokerTime on YouTube, which is a live 5/10 game with a holecard camera. People cold call 3bs with 74s and call two 2/3 pot bets multiway in bad position with a gutshot to a nonnut straight. Hesitating with top two against players of this calliber is like taking a chainsaw to your winrate.
Holy crap I wanna play with these people everyday
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05-28-2018 , 03:24 AM
Right off the bat, my guess is bet 25-33% on flop, turn can go either halfpot or c/c if villain is stabby. Definitely not check/folding river. I probably would have just jammed with a pot sized bet left and hope he has KQ or AQ or just makes a standard fishy call. Seems too strong of a hand to turn into a bluff catcher. So yeah you're sizings were too big and you turned a super juicey value bet into a super marginal bluff catcher.
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05-29-2018 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Villain UTG+3 (Plays a lot of hands pre and seems like a call station for the short time I was there)
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Hero check
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05-29-2018 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Loading....
Right off the bat, my guess is bet 25-33% on flop, turn can go either halfpot or c/c if villain is stabby. Definitely not check/folding river. I probably would have just jammed with a pot sized bet left and hope he has KQ or AQ or just makes a standard fishy call. Seems too strong of a hand to turn into a bluff catcher. So yeah you're sizings were too big and you turned a super juicey value bet into a super marginal bluff catcher.
Pio will like a bigger sizing otf w ak here which makes sense since you will have lots of checks and ur bets w like ak/qq unblocking the a are gonna want to be bigger your bluffs also look better w the bigger sizing turn is just another bet and river is going to play for a jam
Sorry you lost
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05-30-2018 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Pio will like a bigger sizing otf w ak here which makes sense since you will have lots of checks and ur bets w like ak/qq unblocking the a are gonna want to be bigger your bluffs also look better w the bigger sizing
Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah I can see choosing to polarize our range on the flop in this spot. If you're gonna do that definitely just check AK, not strong enough to have in a polarized value range here since we can have AA, KK, QQ.
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05-30-2018 , 05:17 PM
absolutely we should include AK and absolutely it's strong enough to be in the flop range
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05-30-2018 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
absolutely we should include AK and absolutely it's strong enough to be in the flop range
Ok, so what hands are you checking that are able to call down and prevent villain from printing $ by 3 barreling you off your entire range?
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05-31-2018 , 09:25 AM
Villain limp/cold called a 3bet from the LJ. I doubt he's the type of player I'm worried about designing an unexploitable balanced flop checking strategy.

Normally I agree with most of what lolposting2016 says but I'm not sure why he's trying to apply solver information to this spot vs a rec player.

Let's assume this was just a SB 3bet vs a single LJ opener who's a good reg and we're 200bb deep with no one else calling preflop. I imagine we're going to have a tonne of checks and I imagine we're playing a mixed strategy with AK of checking/betting, same with AA and KK, with QQ being a pure 100% bet and we will prefer to have a larger sizing with our bets. I don't know exactly; I haven't run it yet and obviously it depends heavily on the preflop ranges and bet sizing options you assign...
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05-31-2018 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
Villain limp/cold called a 3bet from the LJ. I doubt he's the type of player I'm worried about designing an unexploitable balanced flop checking strategy.

Normally I agree with most of what lolposting2016 says but I'm not sure why he's trying to apply solver information to this spot vs a rec player.
Spot on IMO. Attempting to play anything close to GTO at live poker is just dumb.
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