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Old 01-18-2019, 10:44 PM   #1
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Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Playing 1k effective.

Background: Hero and Villian have been playing at the table for about an hour at this point. No prior history between the two of us until this hand arises. Villian has been playing LAG, lots of 3b pre. Villian has been winning nearly all of his pots before show down. He is up about $600 when out hand started. Hero's table image is likely a TAG rec player.

Hero opens utg with QQ to $20 (standard open at this table). 3 callers.

Flop:

J 9 4 rainbow

Hero leads for $70. 2 callers

Turn: 3 (no bd flush)

Hero bets $110. Only villian calls

River 7. Hero tank bets $155. Villian tank raises to $600 straight. Hero?

I take an annual trip to Vegas to play poker solo. I'm definitely a rec, but I do take the game seriously and welcome your thoughts to help me improve. In retrospect, I'm thinking c/c river is best? Thanks in advance for your input!
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:16 PM   #2
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

It's a pretty clear call for me.

No way I could find a fold against a relative unknown aggressive 2.5 opponent at that price with an overpair to the board. Doubt he's blasting off for thin value with AJ, but maybe, I've seen weirder at 2/5.

Your tank and $155 river bet into a $520 pot may have just induced him to think your small bet is a signal of weakness, and he can take the pot with a raise. All the combos of QT, JT, T9, and 98 could do that.

River might be a check/call or check/evaluate bet sizing, fold if AI.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:50 PM   #3
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

the villain is merging river, so i prefer a remerge or fold.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:11 AM   #4
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

1/3 flop sizing or x a lot ott j94 isn’t a very good board for utg
Turn is whatever
River is also whatever as far as betting ->> folding looks good vs the raise. This is one of your worst bluffcatchers and you don’t need to dig this deep in your range for calls when the population is underbluffing this spot by a lot
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:14 AM   #5
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the villain is merging river, so i prefer a remerge or fold.
Wat the f does this even mean
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:35 AM   #6
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

That b***h had 10-8 suited for the rivered straight ... didn’t he?
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:54 AM   #7
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That b***h had 10-8 suited for the rivered straight ... didnít he?
why else would he post?
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:03 AM   #8
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why else would he post?
I hate this forum
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:04 AM   #9
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Coulda been pocket 9’s for slow played flopped set ? No ?
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:38 AM   #10
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Thanks for the rellies everyone. I will say that I had initially considered c/c, but I had recently taken the exact same line (b, b, check river) with a flopped two pair that was shown down, so I thought if I bet river in this particular hand (for value), and assuming villian is a thinking player, it wouldn't give off as much information given my prior line with a strong hand.

I tanked for ahwile and folded. I couldn't put him on a hand that beats me on the flop and turn. 10 8 gets there on the river and I would assume that he takes a similar line with a hand like that. Again, in retrospect, I probably should have called down river as mentioned above.

Appreciate the replies above. My small river tank bet could have induced this type of river action (ofc, not my intention), which I didn't consider at the time.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:35 PM   #11
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Wat the f does this even mean
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:00 AM   #12
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Thanks for the rellies everyone. I will say that I had initially considered c/c, but I had recently taken the exact same line (b, b, check river) with a flopped two pair that was shown down, so I thought if I bet river in this particular hand (for value), and assuming villian is a thinking player, it wouldn't give off as much information given my prior line with a strong hand.

I tanked for ahwile and folded. I couldn't put him on a hand that beats me on the flop and turn. 10 8 gets there on the river and I would assume that he takes a similar line with a hand like that. Again, in retrospect, I probably should have called down river as mentioned above.

Appreciate the replies above. My small river tank bet could have induced this type of river action (ofc, not my intention), which I didn't consider at the time.
Something to think about, why not check call the river. With him calling flop and turn even if he has 10 8, check calling 200-300 is alot easier than calling a 600 river.
It does come off as weak if it goes check-check but it he's probably going to bet all of his jx that you beat and all of his bluffs

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Old 01-21-2019, 08:52 AM   #13
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

I only pot flops with 2 overs. I'd be check-raising the **** out of folks with 2 ladies here.

lemme read the rest of the hand now...

oh ****, you bet half pot on the turn. people always price me in this way at 2-5.

SERIOUS NOTE: there is no reason to bet river. He was drawing to something.

Good fold man.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:53 AM   #14
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

I would have bet larger on flop and turn to get more value and deny equity.. on the river, i would have check-called. Tough spot on river, but as another mentioned, your bet could induce the bluff too. good luck!
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:33 PM   #15
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Unless there's reason to think that this guy is underbluffing I think you need to call. This is obviously a bluff catcher but I think he could also have like Q-10. If he's been playing a lot of pots aggressively he's probably going to continue doing that with his flopped sets and J-9 hands. Your bets got progressively smaller in relation to the pot as the hand went on which I think some players are going to interpret as weakness and therefore a good place to bluff.
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Old 01-23-2019, 12:22 AM   #16
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Thanks again for the replies and input from above.
Definitely gives me something to think about. I now realize that I also need to work on my sizing in spots like this. Just made it back to the real world. Until next year, Vegas.
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:13 AM   #17
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

posted in wrong forum.

in $2/5 this is a super easy fold. $2/5 just dont bluff x/r river often enough to call down. we can have JJ 99 77 AA KK for better calls.

blockers also matter here imo. QQ double blocks QT, which is pretty relevant.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:00 PM   #18
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Great spot thanks for sharing.

Arguments for folding: 1. River raises where you have no chance of drawing out from behind are rarely bluffs, especially in live poker, and even from players who 3B pre frequently? 2. A bet sizing of 600 is an even large number which is l often used for psychologically convenient value betting? 3. He could have made two pairs on this river 97, 47, J7.

Reasons for calling: 1. Your small river sizing and range disadvantage induces many bluffs from thinking players who realize a pair of 9s or even Js is now no good. 2. On the turn you bet $110 into a pot of $270 a very small bet. Itís unlikely a set is not raising at that decisive man point. Most two pairs would raise as well. 3. 108 is only one hand and he may raise it on the flop rather than light money on fire calling down, especially if he is aggressive as described, limiting the combinations of 108. 4. There are a million combinations of top pairs you beat that called down to river and are now turning their hand into a bluff.

I call given player description but would fold to some other player types.
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Old 01-29-2019, 12:24 PM   #19
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

What's V's position? Multi way pot pre and flop, this would affect V's range I assume.

I don't understand the sizing on every straight post flop - almost pot the flop, and little over third pot on the turn, and 30% pot river?

AP - river is a fold.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:36 AM   #20
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What's V's position? Multi way pot pre and flop, this would affect V's range I assume.

I don't understand the sizing on every straight post flop - almost pot the flop, and little over third pot on the turn, and 30% pot river?

AP - river is a fold.

Iirc, villain was the hijack in this hand. Thanks again for everyone's replies abd input.
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:59 AM   #21
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SERIOUS NOTE: there is no reason to bet river. He was drawing to something.

Good fold man.
Guess triple range merging is like so last decade. (I was kidding guys)

OP sizing on each street needs some adjusting. River sizing is going to cause some spazzing to occur. X/C would probably be better

River becomes a guessing game now. But Iím probably folding here ap
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:57 PM   #22
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Re: Live 2-5 NL at Aria

Turn is way too small, should be closer to 200

Fold river
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