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12-19-2017 , 08:31 PM
V is a reg. on the loose side. plays and 3-bets a lot of hands. always defends his straddle. haven't seen him fold to 3-bet yet.

5/10 with 20 straddle.
$2000 effective.

V Straddle 20 UTG.
folds to hero in MP who opens to 60 with KsQc
fold to V in the straddle who 3-bets to 210.
back to hero who 4-bets to 540.


V asks hero how much more he has. tanks for a little bit and calls.

so I was a little bit surprised when V called. I expected either a jam or a fold but whatever.

Flop (1100): Kc6c7d.
V checks. Hero checks.

Turn(1100): Jc.
V checks. Hero bets 550. V calls.

River: 9d.
V checks Hero shoves for 1050

in retrospect I don't really like my check on the flop. I think betting 1/3 on this flop with entire range is better? and also sets up a nice turn shove. I also think we need to bet to protect against an ace falling on the turn and get value from flush draws.

I guess a part of me was kind of worried that he might be slow playing ace king but I guess that's kind of irrelevant when we have top pair in a 4-bet pot and are going to stack off anyway.

also what about the river shove? not sure if it ever gets called by worse but felt like it was mandatory at the time.
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12-19-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Oaks
V is a reg. on the loose side. plays and 3-bets a lot of hands. always defends his straddle. haven't seen him fold to 3-bet yet.

5/10 with 20 straddle.
$2000 effective.

V Straddle 20 UTG.
folds to hero in MP who opens to 60 with KsQc
fold to V in the straddle who 3-bets to 210.
back to hero who 4-bets to 540.


V asks hero how much more he has. tanks for a little bit and calls.

so I was a little bit surprised when V called. I expected either a jam or a fold but whatever.

Flop (1100): Kc6c7d.
V checks. Hero checks.

Turn(1100): Jc.
V checks. Hero bets 550. V calls.

River: 9d.
V checks Hero shoves for 1050

in retrospect I don't really like my check on the flop. I think betting 1/3 on this flop with entire range is better? and also sets up a nice turn shove. I also think we need to bet to protect against an ace falling on the turn and get value from flush draws.

I guess a part of me was kind of worried that he might be slow playing ace king but I guess that's kind of irrelevant when we have top pair in a 4-bet pot and are going to stack off anyway.

also what about the river shove? not sure if it ever gets called by worse but felt like it was mandatory at the time.
I prefer betting on the flop to get it in here. If you are 4betting pre with KQ you have to really get some chips in on the flop to protect your hand. There are a lot of draws there also. When you check your just giving him a free card.
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12-19-2017 , 08:56 PM
I'm just brainstorming here, but how wide do you think this guy would call a turn shove given that it was the third of a suit?
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12-19-2017 , 09:18 PM
I think it’s hard to get called by worse taking a bet bet line

I prefer betting small on flop and checking back most turns

As played I think turn bet river shove is fine
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12-20-2017 , 03:45 PM
I'm not sure what we're accomplishing by checking the flop here. If we want to get value from worse, we should be betting this flop. Oftentimes, the delayed cbet will actually look like strength, and with so many unfortunate turn cards, I think we should start betting right away, however we are blocking pretty much every big draw we could be worried about.

As far as our range is concerned, I'm not sure how you, personally, are constructing your preflop 4betting range, but if you are ever including hands like weaker suited connectors, our hand is the 4th best hand in our range and the second one pair hand in our range. With all the draws out there to get value from (even with our major blocker), and an spr of 1.4ish otf, I actually think our best move is to just jam the flop.
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12-20-2017 , 05:10 PM
lol now I know I'm rusty, nothing in this hand makes sense to me!

I would probably have flat the 3bet.

as played i bet the flop, check back turn, and decide on river.

also not sure what worse hand is calling the river jam, so I probably just check back. This seems like it's the absolute bottom of our SD range.

so yeah i hate it! but I've been retired from pro poker for 3 years, so I really don't know what you should do.
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12-21-2017 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
I'm just brainstorming here, but how wide do you think this guy would call a turn shove given that it was the third of a suit?
given that it's a 4bet pot and V has put in 1/4 of his stack in the pot preflop, I expect him to call wider than usual. something like QQ or AJ, AQ with the A of clubs might sigh call. especially if I had bet the flop and he decided to float.
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12-22-2017 , 01:14 PM
Villain has to be a pretty big non believer in order for this to be a profitable shove... and tbh if that's the case, checking this flop seems really bad.

If he is capable of folding a jack here I think that check calling has to be more profitable given our line.
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12-22-2017 , 05:55 PM
This is a really good flop for you to bet here Oaks. Line seems fine.
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12-22-2017 , 05:57 PM
This seems extremely ambitious.
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12-29-2017 , 06:26 AM
Yeah betting flop and jamming turn seems like a massive overplay - we're literally never getting called by worse.

Flop is fine, turn I think this is kinda a cool hand to check twice with tbh but betting is surely fine. River seems optimistic but checking back seems kinda nitty. Since he can so easily be sandbagging sets and AA, I'd just sigh bet turn x behind river.
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