2/5 NL live full ring active game. Effective stack 1.3K. Straddled pot button raises to 85. I flat in the BB and 3 others flat. 4 to the flop Qc Jd 3c. Check to villain on button bets 125. I flat. Heads up turn is a 3s. I check villain bets 250. I check shove for 1,090 which is 840 more. villain getting roughly 2.3/1 on a call. He tank calls with AsTc. river is a 2d and he tables the winner. I am just looking for perspective here. I feel like the check shove should get him of lots of hands but in particular this specific hand. Do you think my line was terrible ? Greatly appreciate some feedback. Thanks.

Wat are your cards

9c7c. The absolute bottom of my range.

So you decided to take a hand with 0 equity and no relevant blockers and go all in. Not recommended

I believe I had 31.7 percent equity when I check raised all in on the turn.

Villain is holding A ♠️ T♣️

I’m a little confused on the preflop action. I’m guessing that X people limped, and then villain raised on the BUT to 85? If this is the case then I really don’t like flat calling 97s here our of position. If u think button is getting out of line u could try a 3b pre I don’t hate it.

As played I think u can find a line that looks a little less bluffy. U could check/call flop. Lead the turn, and shove the river. Or u could check/raise the turn small and then open shove the river (but I’m not sure we’re deep enough for that play).
But I don’t like the play u made on the turn, I think the risk:reward isn’t there when we have to put so many chips in with a weak hand.
Also u say we have 31.7% equity but I think that is a very misleading thing to believe. U don’t really care about your equity vs his actual hand, u care more about your equity vs his CALLING RANGE, which I suspect is much less than 31.7% on average.


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What the heck are we doing preflop

@Thamel18 this is an excuse but the table dynamics were just crazy particularly the villian was playing extremely agro but I had a laps in discipline and I guess paid the price.

If you feel a bit bored and want to play 97s here OOP, that's fine, but please do so with a 3bet in the future! Your hand doesn't play well at all if you just call preflop and you are multiway in a bad position.

Can someone tell me where to find this 2/5 game?

V definitely made a hero call but it was a hero call that followed horrendous play. 97cc is NEVER going to be worth calling $85 PF out of the BB with players behind still left to act.

Even with the four-flush on the flop, 9-high is rarely going to be good if the club arrives.

The shove all but screams that you had a busted draw. And, yes, on a wild table, that is precisely how I would expect to be read with the action as you describe...

I agree with you @michelle227 on everything but is the draw considered busted if there is still 1 card to come?

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Pre is bad but whatever. I think people are making too big of a deal out of it. In a loose game like this where people limp a lot and play bad in general, it’s probably not that bad.

Depends on villain tendencies, but I like the idea of check/shoving flop. You’re getting good odds to call, but with 3 players left to act, someone else could easily repop it and if we do hit, bigger flushes are out there and it’ll be hard to get paid OOP. Check/shoving flop folds out larger flush draws from the players left to act and we can credibly rep QJ or 33.

Once you get to turn and the board pairs, probably not a good x/shove spot. There’s not much you can rep now since you probably x/raise strong hands on the flop and Villain has QQ and JJ in his range that you could be dead against.

I mean he made a pretty damn loose call that might be more lucky than good, but still, it’s not a good spot for you.

Leading turn is a more acceptable option, but I still don’t think you rep much.

97s seems like a really easy fold to an 8.5x raise pre.

I’m going to ignore preflop but would like to ask the Op to explain why he thinks this is a good or bad play. Check call check jam is a strong line so those saying it looks bluffy have me perplexed. There are some problems with your holding and this texture but I’m going to let you work it out.

He made a bad call man.

Your play is not great but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

Only check jamming good hands is lolbad as a solid poker strategy. Although against a player who calls off with at, it's the best strategy but u didn't know he was so bad.

There are many draws you can have. Which ones you should sometimes check jam turn with is a loaded question. I can't answer that without getting paid for it.

It looks bluffy because a good player would never take this line with a value hand. There are no value hands that get there on the turn, so for Hero to be raising for value, he needs a hand that got there on the flop like 33/JJ/QQ/QJ, maybe AQ.

And if Hero got there on flop, it would be making a big mistake to x/call such a small bet on such a drawy flop with 3 players left to act as opposed to x/raising.

Add in the fact that QQ/JJ/AQ likely 3bet pre and there's now 1 combo of 33, and it's just really hard for Hero to have a good hand here.

Once again thanks for all the feedback

I think turn is a good spot to check/fold. If he checks back turn then maybe take a stab at the river. The fact that 5 people saw a flop should make you a little concerned about drawing dead.

I don't mind turn check/shove versus some overly aggressive players that shut down to aggression, but this guy doesn't seem to be that type so as a standard I think check/fold is the way to go.

Problem is, it's hard for you to be doing this for value based on the board.

Okay I understand, but you are all basically telling me your calling here ?

Just saying you have a very restricted range that wants to shove for value here, due to preflop & flop actions. As such, you obviously need to be mega selective with your bluffs

I think people are saying that your line looks FOS on the turn which makes the hero cAll from V possible, albeit terrible. No one here would advocate for finding a call in V’s spot it if this was presented from V’s prospective.

In this case, objectively, both H and V played it poorly.