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costly failure to c-bet? costly failure to c-bet?

07-24-2018 , 01:52 PM
Button Hero and BB call with QT versus late limper and CO. Flop is 4,8,Q. Hero bets 5 bbs and only the CO calls. Turn is an Ace followed by two checks. River is a T and CO bets 27 bbs. Would it have been much better to raise pre-flop rather than call with position? Or was the no c-betting the main culprit with the hand? But then maybe it was both? I think not c-betting was seriously inane.
07-24-2018 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Punk_Eye
Button Hero and BB call with QT versus late limper and CO. Flop is 4,8,Q. Hero bets 5 bbs and only the CO calls. Turn is an Ace followed by two checks. River is a T and CO bets 27 bbs. Would it have been much better to raise pre-flop rather than call with position? Or was the no c-betting the main culprit with the hand? But then maybe it was both? I think not c-betting was seriously inane.
I think you'll get more responses if you give much greater detail to the hand. As it is I'm not even sure what you're asking....
07-24-2018 , 06:13 PM
no idea what this is. It sounds like you did bet the flop?

Sorry you lost.
07-24-2018 , 07:25 PM
Stack sizes were about 35 bbs. The Hero bet 5 bbs on the flop and was called by the CO. The pot now has 12 bbs. The Turn Ace got checked and the CO bet 27 bbs on the river card Ten. Hero now has two middle pair and in a tough spot because he didn't c-bet the turn. Yeah, I lost to two overpair but there's no problem losing as long as I learn from it. My other big gripe is my limp pre-flop when I had position instead of raising.
"One thing I hate learning is a lesson." - Peter Griffin.

Last edited by Punk_Eye; 07-24-2018 at 07:30 PM.
07-25-2018 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Punk_Eye
Stack sizes were about 35 bbs. The Hero bet 5 bbs on the flop and was called by the CO. The pot now has 12 bbs. The Turn Ace got checked and the CO bet 27 bbs on the river card Ten. Hero now has two middle pair and in a tough spot because he didn't c-bet the turn. Yeah, I lost to two overpair but there's no problem losing as long as I learn from it. My other big gripe is my limp pre-flop when I had position instead of raising.
"One thing I hate learning is a lesson." - Peter Griffin.
That's not a c-bet, a c-bet is a flop bet after a preflop raise.

you were losing on the turn at the very least allready. What would betting on the turn accomplish? You bet to deny equity or to build a pot for your huge hands, but A) what equity are you trying to deny here? If villain called you on the flop with something 87, he has 10% equity on the turn, if villain called the flop with something like AQ or A8 he's already realized his equity and you're crushed. And are you really trying to build a pot with middle pair on the turn? No.

On the river, yeah you have two pair, but ask yourself why is the villain overbetting the pot here? He doesn't have many bluffs with the exception of J10 and he called you on the flop a very dry board. Whats your history with villain? Does he think you fold too often?

No, you didn't need to bet the turn, and you should very easily fold the river. The pot is WAY too small to even care about. You have 2 pair, so what? There's a strong chance, Villain needs to be bluffing a pretty high percentage of the time to ever make a call correct in this spot. He was trying to make up for lost value from previous streets when he was trying to trap you and make you bet.
07-25-2018 , 06:33 PM
Shove turn for info
07-25-2018 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pauper
Shove turn for info
That was my thought-making a turn bet to gain info so I know what to do on the river.
07-25-2018 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pauper
Shove turn for info
Then fold so your opponent never knows what you have
07-26-2018 , 12:57 AM
I could read the villain for AA but not Aces up. And if he's got trips, I'm losing there too.
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