Hero is a rec fish, playing lag. Up and down stack this session - current stack at 1900 (up 600 for session). Just prior to his hand, I called a three bet out of position against villain2 with 22, called a flop bet on a 665 board, boated up on turn which went check check, and I made a little over pot sized bet on river and got called and it seemed villain2 was pretty upset.

Villain 1 just sat down and looks like an omc. Stack size 1500.

Villain 2 is a solid tag pro and has owned my soul prior to this session. Stack size - covers me.

On to the hand.

Preflop
Omc opens utg + 1 to 30

I flat in cutoff with 5s5c

Villain 2 calls on button

Pot 105

Flop
Kd8s5d
Villain 1 bets 70, I call, villain 2 calls.

Pot is 315

Turn
Jc
Villain 1 checks. I bet 330. Villain 2 thinks for a bit prior to calling. Villain 1 folds.

Pot is 975

River
As
I check. Villain snap jams.

Hero?


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this has to be the easiest call ever

every single draw missed

we have a set

if this is a fold poker is truly dead

Fist pump call and bet the river/thread

Guess not much else of a discussion?

Should I be leading out on river and if so, I hat amount?

Would it be bet/snap cal? Time for the microbet?


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Snap call sorry you lost or lol if you folded

++lolposting

QTdd? or 88?

i mean, asides variance, i'm not sure how this is not a call at any rate.

I did snap call. Lost to q10dd. Just wanted to make sure that I shouldn’t have spent a little more time thinking about it.

Thanks for all your posts.

raise the flop

Raise the flop! Snap call river. Bet river. Over bet turn is fun.


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Raise flop

1. Under normal conditions, easy fold. Unless he's a serial buffer, it should be obvious that he had QdTd.

fold river. villain always has QT

Really? Pros don’t go all in with two pair here if they hit two pair on river? He is not a serial bluffer but I feel he could bet thinner than just q10 here for value especially against me who was a little call happy during the session...


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Nope

He's shipping 1.5x pot on the river. It's a polarized bet. Either he's got no showdown value, or he's got the nuts. Timing is important. Anybody can snap-jam with the nuts, but it takes a lot of preparation to think, as you flat the turn overbet with 7d6d... "If he checks the river, no matter what it is, I'm gonna ship it."

Also, what 2-pair does he get here with? He's on the button after you flatted, after just seeing you flat a 3-bet out of position with 22. He's squeezing you with a 3-bet for sure with AKo or AdJd. That leaves Ad8d, maybe, as his only realistic 2-pair hand.

So even *assuming* that villain is capable of 1.5x-ing the river with air, and *assuming* villain also ships the river with 2-pair, targeting a KJo holding... villain gets to this river and bets like this with three hands: QdTd, Ad8d, and 7d6d.

So if those two assumptions are correct, your call is profitable, because you win 2/3 times. But you and I both know those two assumptions are horse****. He's not snapping in 1.5 pot with 7-high. He's also not overbetting the pot with Aces and Eights, because that hand isn't at the top or bottom of his river range. He'd try a more reasonable value bet.

Even if it's just "he's never bluffing" and we can narrow his range down to QdTd and Ad8d, then we're only winning half the time and the 1.5x river bet to us is a fold.

Finally, why are we checking this river? A set is still a set and there's one reasonable hand that beats us. I think the river is a half-pot bet/fold.

that's still a call yo. if we are right 50% of the time then we can call any size bet profitably, as long as the pot is >0.

Nah you're right. I wrote that super tired.

River really should consider fold when against TAG player
Turn you bet overpot, you represent a very strong made hand or strong drawing hand
River you will bet your busted draw, only check with your strong made hand. TAG normally won't bluff with all-in in this situation.