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Bottom 2 pair in huge pot - 5/10 NL Bottom 2 pair in huge pot - 5/10 NL

01-26-2018 , 01:35 PM
Game was playing pretty crazy with lots of big pots.

Hero SB - $2,800

BB - Covers - Gambly Asian who has been getting lucky. Plays big pairs hard and face up. Has overbet jammed a couple of pots and when hands were shown had KK both times on low boards.

Early Position - $1,300 - Woman who has been known to put it in on draws. Have seen her really gamble on some days but today is up and seems to be playing fairly tight.

Early position limps, I call in SB with 97

BB makes it $30. EP calls and I call.

Flop is 1097

I check, BB bets $100, EP calls, I reraise to $400, BB immediately says all in, EP thinks for a long time and calls.

I put BB on overpair but he could also have AK or AQ suited or something like that. EP could have straight draw with a pair, flush draw or two pair. Don't think she has a set by length of time she thought about calling. Call or fold?
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01-26-2018 , 02:43 PM
It doesn't look great:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.893% 31.13% 00.77% 83478 2056.00 { KK+, TT-77, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs, 8s7s }
Hand 1: 42.087% 38.93% 03.16% 104404 8470.00 { 77, AsJs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, T9s, T7s, 97s }
Hand 2: 26.020% 22.94% 03.08% 61529 8254.00 { 9h7h }

I think that's relatively optimistic with no one having a straight and the old lady only given one set, and me giving out as many bare FDs as I can find.

It's hard to use stove to calculate our real equity here, though, because EP is ahead according to these ranges, and we only lose $900 to her with a call and then fight over a side pot with BB.

I'm curious on what people's thoughts are on flatting the flop and waiting for a blank turn to start piling chips. This is a stupid heavy flop, so bottom two isn't doing as great as you might expect on the flop in a 3-way pot almost 300bbs deep, and the dynamic board doesn't favor the player in worst absolute position. Seems like we can rely on BB to keep the foot on the pedal on a blank turn, and EP has a chance to reopen action if not.

It's obviously more of a PLO play, but equities are gonna be pretty PLO-like in a 3-way pot on T97tt.

Last edited by TenHighCallDown; 01-26-2018 at 02:53 PM.
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01-26-2018 , 05:19 PM
I don't think I'm raising flop with bottom two. So easily dominated and/or they could so easily catch up. I flat the flop bet, but I really dislike bottom two, especially on boards like this one.

As played, it might be weak, but I probably let it go.
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01-26-2018 , 05:49 PM
I think you're a good sized favorite against BB's range and a dog against EP's. I haven't done the calculation, but I think call will end up being +EV overall, because the sidepot where you (imo) have an edge will be so large.
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01-26-2018 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TenHighCallDown
It doesn't look great:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.893% 31.13% 00.77% 83478 2056.00 { KK+, TT-77, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs, 8s7s }
Hand 1: 42.087% 38.93% 03.16% 104404 8470.00 { 77, AsJs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, T9s, T7s, 97s }
Hand 2: 26.020% 22.94% 03.08% 61529 8254.00 { 9h7h }

I think that's relatively optimistic with no one having a straight and the old lady only given one set, and me giving out as many bare FDs as I can find.

It's hard to use stove to calculate our real equity here, though, because EP is ahead according to these ranges, and we only lose $900 to her with a call and then fight over a side pot with BB.

I'm curious on what people's thoughts are on flatting the flop and waiting for a blank turn to start piling chips. This is a stupid heavy flop, so bottom two isn't doing as great as you might expect on the flop in a 3-way pot almost 300bbs deep, and the dynamic board doesn't favor the player in worst absolute position. Seems like we can rely on BB to keep the foot on the pedal on a blank turn, and EP has a chance to reopen action if not.

It's obviously more of a PLO play, but equities are gonna be pretty PLO-like in a 3-way pot on T97tt.
Think these might be a bit pessimistic tbh. Don't really think we can give BB TT-77 and not QQ/JJ. Also we might be able to discount some nut hands based on BBs sizing and EP not raising the first time.

Think I'm probably on board with not raising though for the reasons you mentioned. Even if this cluster**** didnt happen, most turns were going to be awkward.

As played I probably very unhappily stick it in.
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01-26-2018 , 11:36 PM
I’d lead flop large

As played fold
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01-27-2018 , 02:36 AM
Fold pre
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01-27-2018 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I think you're a good sized favorite against BB's range and a dog against EP's. I haven't done the calculation, but I think call will end up being +EV overall, because the sidepot where you (imo) have an edge will be so large.
Results - this was my thought too so I called.

Turn was KRiver was 8

Girl had 109 so I was behind her

BB had JJ so he scooped with straight
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01-27-2018 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Fold pre
Great advice; not!!
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01-27-2018 , 02:14 PM
That’s the best advice itt tbh
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01-27-2018 , 02:22 PM
But idk maybe you’re the only player in the world who can turn this into a +ev vpip who knows
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01-27-2018 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
But idk maybe you’re the only player in the world who can turn this into a +ev vpip who knows
Wow, really? I thought the fold pre was a joke post. It takes the best player in the world to make a profit completing (5 to win 25) against two amateurs with a hand that flops strong draws like 25% of the time? What is the rationale for folding?
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01-27-2018 , 03:45 PM
Disregard guys thought it was a raised pot.
Obviously completing here is super standard nothing to see here lol
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01-27-2018 , 03:55 PM
Was about to ask, did you misread the hand?
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01-30-2018 , 09:06 PM
in a limped pot i wouldnt be very excited to be putting in much money on this board. id be just doing a lot of x/c here
as played id be snap folding to this action
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01-30-2018 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
in a limped pot i wouldnt be very excited to be putting in much money on this board. id be just doing a lot of x/c here
as played id be snap folding to this action
Lol, I think you misread preflop again: it's a SRP.

Limped to us in the SB, we call, BB makes it 3x, EP calls, we call.
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01-30-2018 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TenHighCallDown
Lol, I think you misread preflop again: it's a SRP.

Limped to us in the SB, we call, BB makes it 3x, EP calls, we call.
well ill stop posting itt sorry all
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01-30-2018 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Wow, really? I thought the fold pre was a joke post. It takes the best player in the world to make a profit completing (5 to win 25) against two amateurs with a hand that flops strong draws like 25% of the time? What is the rationale for folding?
Seems like you missed the part where the Gambling Asian potted it preflop.
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01-30-2018 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
well ill stop posting itt sorry all
LMAO <3
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