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07-28-2017 , 07:38 AM
4 handed

Villain (BTN): 30 ish white guy, TAG ($1200)
Hero (BB): mid 20s Asian, TAG image (covers)

Villain straddles. SB calls. Hero makes it $40 with 22 Would normally limp but SB is a fish and I want to iso him.

Villain calls SB folds.

Flop: 854 ($85)

Hero bets $50. Villain calls.

Turn: 3 ($185)

Hero ???

Barrel again? I feel like he has ace high way more often than he has a pair. And if that's the case, I crush him, he's never folding cause he has SDV and a gutshot. Also if the river bricks it often goes check check in which case I win with 22. Also, what do you guys think of the flop cbet?
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07-28-2017 , 08:54 AM
Don't like the play because every single board will make it hard to tell where we're at unless we hit the set. Why iso someone to then have no clue where we are at in the hand? Would probably limp pre and c/f flop often here.


AP I would advocate for a bet on many turns because of the flop cbet. You don't pick up much equity with the straight but it's likely that a turn bet should be at a fairly high frequency when you bluff flop.



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07-28-2017 , 09:28 AM
Flop bet is fine. Once you raise out of the blinds and get heads up you are pretty much obligated to bet any non-terrible flop. Preflop is the bigger question. You have a hand that plays well multiway if you can see a flop cheaply but isn't worth playing to a big raise. Depending on the table situation folding or checking is usually better.

On the turn it depends entirely on villain's range and play style. If you can barrel villain of a weak pair or get him to chase weak draws then barreling is OK. If he is going to passively call with his over pairs and give up his garbage on the flop then you should give up at this point. If villain has bluffs in his range then you should be cautious, building a big pot OOP can put you in a bad situation when villain bets the river.
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07-28-2017 , 09:29 AM
I think you have way more better hands in your range to choose to cbet flop than 22... Id rather check it...
AP, i think the 3 is like the best card for you to continue if you wanted to bluff so you can b/f 120
But as you said if you think you have some showdown value, you should just check

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07-28-2017 , 09:39 AM
I don't think you have much FE ott against anything that's beating you and I think it's pretty ambitious to bet this hand for value targeting Ahi. I check and hope it checks the rest of the way down and expect to still lose if our hand doesn't improve.

I don't think I'm opening 22 from EP with a button straddle out since people Hate to fold their straddle especially otb. I just limp and set mine.
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07-28-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by water69
I don't think I'm opening 22 from EP with a button straddle out since people Hate to fold their straddle especially otb. I just limp and set mine.
We are 4 handed, I'm in the BB and I'm trying to isolate the fish in the SB. No such thing as EP 4 handed bruh.
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07-28-2017 , 03:44 PM
I don't mind the iso, especially if we can take down the pot on a lot of flops. If SB is super stationy, I would probably look to overlimp.

I also like the flop bet to get villain off his overcards that won't continue in the hand but have equity against 22.

AP, I would check the turn and decide. With the OESD, you do have a decent amount of equity and could maybe find a call if he's going to bet some of his guttys on the turn. You don't have enough equity vs his calling range to bet for thin value here and you're unlikely to fold out anything better either.
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07-28-2017 , 04:26 PM
Really dont like the raise pre. Ime and imo people who limp OTB basically dont fold vs blind raises, esp given they're IP. 22 has the worst playability postflop barring flopping a set/quads/straight.

Flop I would just x/f, betting is pretty spewy you're going to get called/floated super wide, not a lot of good barreling cards either. Board should hit a limp/calling range super hard, this is a pretty good board to just check a lot of your range, esp hands that want to give up.

Turn ap prob just betting but not a great spot to be in in the first two places.

Also when he calls this flop i doubt he has a lot of A high unless it's like A6/A7 overcard + gutshot (he most likely raises pre anyway) or the backdoor flush combos which he probably raises pre too. His range here should be pair/draw/pair + draw heavy, which arent folding which is why imo turn barrel isnt super great.
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07-28-2017 , 04:48 PM
Given that we technically have showdown value and a draw, I'd rather check back this hand on the turn (can consider checking behind flop too since it's not a great flop for the PFR).

Seems like villain probably won't bet unpaired hands OTR? So you can pretty comfortably fold river.

Edit: I mis-read and thought we were in position. I like the double barrel more being OOP.

Last edited by ImAllInNow; 07-28-2017 at 05:10 PM.
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07-28-2017 , 04:57 PM
Didn't realize it was 4 handed. Maybe I should learn how to read
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07-28-2017 , 05:05 PM
If we check, will villain bet? If he will check behind then check. If not I think we should bet. I like a size of $90. If we are raised I think we can safely fold if we don't like the price offered.
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07-28-2017 , 05:06 PM
Yes
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07-29-2017 , 06:30 AM
Pre: Agree with others. I don't think it's a great idea to iso sb with 22 because it lacks playability plus you're out of position.

Post: Just x/fold if he bets. Though he could have some floats here too. But if you bet turn, you'll have to bet river too.
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