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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
Ive never played with vill before but he's obviously a good pro. Early in the session vill doubled me up when I donk jammed the river for almost 2x pot and showed down 2pair. He's opened up a bit since then and he's 3 bet me a bunch but I have not 4bet at all. I've probably opened button 50% or less when folded to me.
Without initiative, you jammed 2x pot with 2pair and were called. Did he have a lesser two pairs/was the call justified? If not, does he have an accurate depiction of your ranges/abilities in these spots? I ask this because your move is one of pure strength (typically), and him calling with TPTK or something similar can shine some light on his current state of mind or his active dissemination of the tables play.
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Pre - Folded to me on the button and I open to 35 with k5o. Vill in SB 3bets to 150 and 4 bet to 460. We started the hand about 2.7k eff.
As for the hand, I won't judge the initial open since opening on the BTN allows you this leniency, especially given your previous % of BTN activity. What I will push back on is two fold. First is the apparent preconceived decision to take this stand in what may amount to a fairly predictable chain of events. He has a bone to pick. He has upped his aggression since being stacked, by you. The BTN-BB dynamic is a natural provocateur. Obviously there are much better hands to get creative with.
The second issue is the bet sizing chosen once you decided to follow thorough and make a stand here (for better or for worse). Your sizing reflects a desire to want to put maximum pressure out of the gate and utilize position as it relates to fold equity. This is not to say their isn't a time or place for this thinking but rather, given the present dynamic laid out above as well as the actual hand you hold, I would probably look to extend this hand if I chose to get stubborn. This is not because of my hands strength but rather my assessment of the dynamic in play and how I can best manage/manipulate the situation I created.
Remember, he is OOP (possibly anxious/skewed in his thinking by playing vs you), so by goading him in and presenting him with the position of having to face a bloated pot, where stacks are deep and your bet sizing can be formulated/misconstrued to distort your holding may be a better route. What will happen is you allow for more options moving forward. You can abandon ship if he becomes relentless. You can walk the dog with small bets that mimic a monster. You can pot+ into a bloated pot to test his meddle. You can get FPS on any perceived weakness you sense of him trying to make play/take initiative away. You can play the poker you yearn to obviously play.
Basically, if you want to play 'poker' then commit to play poker here. Your play reeks of hedging this gambit and thats when the biggest mistakes get made (both in short term and long term.....tiiiiilt).
