1/2 NL home game

V1 is a little scared money, pretty tight, and not super aggressive.
V2 is a mostly competant player, but probably folds too often/calls too often
V3 is an okay player, but scareed money like V1 and thinks Hero has been getting out of line.
Hero: Seen as a highly aggressive and loose player. Everyone thinks I have been getting out of line. They are mostly right but not doing anything about it.

Hand: 5d5h Button, 238 in stack

V2 UTG raises to 6, V3 CO Reraises to 18, hero calls, V1 in SB calls, V2 calls.

Flop: 9h 5s 2h

V1 checks, V2 Bets 80, V3 calls, Hero shoves for 220. V1 V2 and 3 fold??

with four players in the pot, I'm trying to get hearts off their hand, but the weird part was this. V1 had QQ, V2 had 1010 and V3 had JJ. They all had to call 140 to and theres allready 460 dollars in the pot I don't think ANY of these guys are catching tells with maybe the exception of V2.

The question becomes. did I jump the shark with my shove? Or were these guys just scared money? I'm trying to deny equity from any AK AQh and I was sure at least one of these guys would call with an overpair.

4 ways, the shove is fine

1) Fold preflop....

2) your reason “trying to get hearts off” doesn’t make much sense. Only fish thinks this way.

Sorry if I am harsh. But u are the fish here and lastly, u posted at the wrong forum.

You're saying V3 is scared money in your description of him, but you're flatting his 3b of an UTG raise (he should be pretty strong here even if it's only 4-handed) with 55. Even with deeper stacks, you're not closing the action and if the UTG raise is nutted, and it may well be, then you're bleeding money in these spots. This isn't even mentioning that you didn't say what their stack sizes are, either. If they're less than 238 then calling here becomes even worse. Most players aim for 15-25x to call to set mine, and you don't have that, and this is very much a set mine situation. Yes, you flop a set 1 of every 8 times, but you don't always realize your equity, so you need to play deeper to play for larger pots for those times you do realize your equity.

Sorry maybe I should have explained a bit better my thought process.

Loose call - I agree. But I made it for a few reason. One, this was a home game where I felt like I had complete control of my opponents. V1 2 3 all had about 200bb in front of them. And like I said before, v1 was passive. He was last to act so even if he did have a hand like qq, he wasn’t gonna reraise reraise a 3-bet where he just saw me cold call. V2 might, but I wasn’t too worried about him. Usually I’d been noticing he just calls in these spots. So Including implied odds and since I was getting away with a ton off bluffs I felt it was a call on the button, if razor thin. Also, I was drunk haha.

1: See explanation above

2: Perhaps I didn't explain correctly. What I meant to say was to make hearts pay to realize their equity for the times they have it. AK and AQs is very much in my opponents range in this spot. I figured that would just be implied. If there's something wrong with that reasoning, please explain.

Posted at the wrong forum: My bad.

Sorry if I am being harsh but you are the fish: I'll say this. I've played poker for the past seventeen years. I'm a pretty regular winner at 2/5 and 5/10. I wouldn't say I'm crushing these levels, but a steady winner. One thing I've learned in all that time that's a very important lesson is: Never underestimate anyone.

1) Show me the math that calling preflop can be profitable given that all the villain either fold too much of playing with scared money.


2) if they have AQhh or some other draw, u want them to call your bets because they are putting in money when behind. By shoving to “fold out” their equities, u are helping them to play correctly.

Stop being so fishy. This is a fundamental principle in poker and yet u got it so terribly wrong.

This post is both too harsh and correct.

AhQh has the odds to call that shove if they have paid that $80. If they fold a flush draw here, especially any kind of combo draw, it's a mistake. So shoving to make them fold out equities is actively forcing them to do a mistake here.

No comment for the rest of the hand or if it's a proper strategy here.

Yeah, this was the point I was trying to convey, and I even restated it again in language that was better. That guy just wanted to be a dick in the disguise of, "being harsh and trying to help." Thanks.

Preflop is spew. Flop is totally standard and from the perspective of V2/V3 I wouldn't be folding any legitimate hand given the board.

Preflop I was drunk and having fun. This wasn't a serious game. I convinced myself that we were going at least 3 ways and I had implied odds to call. But I guess I didn't haah.

But the fact that not a single one of them called my shove even after putting money in on the flop made me rethink my life haha, hence the question.

Well drunk and gamble is a good enough reason for preflop

But ya jamming flop is totally standard and fine. The fact that they were getting a good price and didn't call off is great for you.


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