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01-26-2018 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TenHighCallDown
That tends to be most people's continuing strategy regardless of the original size, no? So how is betting 3/4p with your whole range and folding everything but those hands any better than betting 1/3p? It sounds to me like players in general are just vulnerable to raises.

Many people betting 1/4-1/3 pot don’t adequately defend against my aggression. Here’s a very simple example:

Villains’ strategies involve betting small on flop with literally ~100% of their range.

Now let’s say I raise their bet every time I have a shred of equity - backdoor straight draw, bottom pair, ace high, whatever. In my experience, they are way overfolding and my raise is profitable in and of itself. If they call I can literally open muck the turn and I’m still making money with my flop play. If my hand improves on the turn that’s just the icing on the cake. Using your math, people simply aren’t defending 60%. They are defending sets and 2p, flush draws, OESD, and top pairs (usually folding these on the turn)

People who c-bet normal sizes tend to c-bet a much stronger and narrower range - maybe around 45%, which means they are defending much more frequently by default. They simply have better hands. I also need to risk much more relative to what I’m going to win in the pot. I’m not a math wizard or anything so maybe it just feels like it’s working but it isn’t lol

In any event, I don’t expect this strategy to work vs good players who are adequately rolled for the game and aren’t scared to play big pots with ace high or TPGK. It’s works very well vs pros who get their strategy from YouTube bloggers though.
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01-26-2018 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
Many people betting 1/4-1/3 pot don’t adequately defend against my aggression. Here’s a very simple example:

Villains’ strategies involve betting small on flop with literally ~100% of their range.

Now let’s say I raise their bet every time I have a shred of equity - backdoor straight draw, bottom pair, ace high, whatever. In my experience, they are way overfolding and my raise is profitable in and of itself. If they call I can literally open muck the turn and I’m still making money with my flop play. If my hand improves on the turn that’s just the icing on the cake. Using your math, people simply aren’t defending 60%. They are defending sets and 2p, flush draws, OESD, and top pairs (usually folding these on the turn)

People who c-bet normal sizes tend to c-bet a much stronger and narrower range - maybe around 45%, which means they are defending much more frequently by default. They simply have better hands. I also need to risk much more relative to what I’m going to win in the pot. I’m not a math wizard or anything so maybe it just feels like it’s working but it isn’t lol

In any event, I don’t expect this strategy to work vs good players who are adequately rolled for the game and aren’t scared to play big pots with ace high or TPGK. It’s works very well vs pros who get their strategy from YouTube bloggers though.
Thing to keep in mind though is what you're doing to your calling range. If you raise every hand with equity, you may profit. But it might not be more than what you lose when you continue with a very weak calling range.
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01-26-2018 , 05:48 PM
first, bet at least half pot on the flop since you were the aggressor. Second if he raises your flop bet then you have to make a judgement call, either fold if you think your beat or jam all-in imo if you think your ahead and hes just trying to push you off.
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01-27-2018 , 02:32 AM
Well it started a decent discussion so that’s cool
Wish I actually had a hand sometimes
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01-27-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Well it started a decent discussion so that’s cool
Wish I actually had a hand sometimes
Played a drunk 2/5 session this weekend and had basically this exact hand happen twice. Floated both times and folded to big turn bets both times.
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01-27-2018 , 05:31 PM
Yeah, the solver has us x/f to a 1/2 PSB unimproved on the turn (it has us crai hearts and A and x/c a Q). That's while maintaining a 62% continuing range. If you were really looking to own someone/take a stand against someone you think is just ****ing about here, you could maybe expand a bit by x/shipping J and T or something. Those should be the cards villain is most likely to slow down on, but that probably doesn't matter if he just straight up puts you on nothing.
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01-27-2018 , 06:03 PM
^ It also has us continue on a 5 turn. It has us fold on the other cards that pair the board, but only because a bot villain checks 70% and 60% respectively, so someone who's just ****ing around should be really exploitable here too.
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01-28-2018 , 01:08 AM
C-bet slightly larger. It's a very easy fold as played. As a side note, c/c is a large spew, but c/f (betting A, Q, J, T turns) could be best vs a lot of player types.
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