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01-27-2018 , 06:33 AM
Common problem I'm having- aggressive 3betting in the SB and BB when I'm the button or CO. Even when tightening up a bit I don't know how to properly respond to 3bets.

For example- open from CO 3BB with A3s, 3bet to 9BB from the BB player- what to do? Even if the BB is a slightly aggressive 3bettor I really don't like either calling or 4betting so I usually fold even when given 1/3 odds, especially with the chance of being dominated. Thoughts?
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01-28-2018 , 04:09 PM
Super easy call 100 bb deep against anyone decently aggressive. You can be aggressive post with A3s easily.

Domination is not a huge factor and all Ax lower than AJ pretty much have the same problem.
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01-29-2018 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Comus729
aggressive 3betting in the SB and BB when I'm the button or CO.
This is four different pretty distinct scenarios. As far as BUvBB, I'd plug your BU opening range into a program and see what percentage of hands you're continuing with. Standard BU opening range is 40%+, so if you're only continuing with the top 10% or so of hands, then BB is running a straight profit off their small 3! before even accounting for blockers and their equity. I'd shoot for continuing with at least half your range against this size. This is the easiest place to start because you're getting 2:1 and have position.

COvBU is similar, except your original opening range should be more like 25%, so the natural cutoff point for calling might be closer to your comfort zone.

Against the SB, now you have to account for the BB. If they're either a good/aggressive player or a whale, then you don't have to worry as much about direct exploitation because they're protecting your action a bit. Also SB 3!ing ranges tend to be much more linear because people dislike flatting marginal hands in that spot, so 4!ing becomes a bigger part of your strategy, even at this small sizing.

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Originally Posted by Comus729
open from CO 3BB with A3s ... I usually fold even when given 1/3 odds, especially with the chance of being dominated.

I wouldn't think of it in terms of how easily you're dominated. You only need to win back 1/3 of the pot to break even on a call, and this hand has plenty enough hot-and-cold equity to do that, and it's good at realizing its equity IP. It is already A-high before a flop even hits, it always either hits top pair or has an overcard, it only needs one card of its suit to flop a BDNFD, and it always has at least BDSD on any flop with a wheel card (which, along with A-high flops, are among the flops villain will play most aggressively). So it very often has enough going for it OTF to at least float and see 4 cards, so villain has to be double barreling at a breakneck rate to not have us get all the way to the river.

The boards it misses are largely middle-card heavy coordinated boards, which largely hit our 86s type part of our range and is gonna garner a lot of x/fs from villain.

Being "dominated" is probably more relevant for situations where you're the aggressor and would like to be able to throw out a lot of value bets when you hit. When you're in a more defensive position, you're more content to hit medium-strength hands that can get you to showdown. The times that you hit top pair on a dry board and villain bombs away, it's a matter of determining whether he's the type of player who's bluffing enough air that you have to just bluff-catch your stack off with any top pair, or if you can exploit them by folding at some point.
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01-29-2018 , 11:02 AM
Don’t worry about super detailed ranges and just play poker.

If you can call in position with A3dd and put pressure on villain on 589ss flops you’ll be fine. If you’re not willing to do that then tighten up and wait for the nuts. Figure out what works best for you and your game. If you’re to the right of a player that’s better than you then find a different game.
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01-29-2018 , 11:17 AM
Also FYI, this is a FR forum and is largely made up of live players. If you're talking about 400nl+ online 6m, it technically goes in MHNL, but regardless of stakes it's probably best suited for MSSNL given how fundamental it is (no offense).
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01-31-2018 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TenHighCallDown
This is four different pretty distinct scenarios. As far as BUvBB, I'd plug your BU opening range into a program and see what percentage of hands you're continuing with. Standard BU opening range is 40%+, so if you're only continuing with the top 10% or so of hands, then BB is running a straight profit off their small 3! before even accounting for blockers and their equity. I'd shoot for continuing with at least half your range against this size. This is the easiest place to start because you're getting 2:1 and have position.

COvBU is similar, except your original opening range should be more like 25%, so the natural cutoff point for calling might be closer to your comfort zone.

Against the SB, now you have to account for the BB. If they're either a good/aggressive player or a whale, then you don't have to worry as much about direct exploitation because they're protecting your action a bit. Also SB 3!ing ranges tend to be much more linear because people dislike flatting marginal hands in that spot, so 4!ing becomes a bigger part of your strategy, even at this small sizing.




I wouldn't think of it in terms of how easily you're dominated. You only need to win back 1/3 of the pot to break even on a call, and this hand has plenty enough hot-and-cold equity to do that, and it's good at realizing its equity IP. It is already A-high before a flop even hits, it always either hits top pair or has an overcard, it only needs one card of its suit to flop a BDNFD, and it always has at least BDSD on any flop with a wheel card (which, along with A-high flops, are among the flops villain will play most aggressively). So it very often has enough going for it OTF to at least float and see 4 cards, so villain has to be double barreling at a breakneck rate to not have us get all the way to the river.

The boards it misses are largely middle-card heavy coordinated boards, which largely hit our 86s type part of our range and is gonna garner a lot of x/fs from villain.

Being "dominated" is probably more relevant for situations where you're the aggressor and would like to be able to throw out a lot of value bets when you hit. When you're in a more defensive position, you're more content to hit medium-strength hands that can get you to showdown. The times that you hit top pair on a dry board and villain bombs away, it's a matter of determining whether he's the type of player who's bluffing enough air that you have to just bluff-catch your stack off with any top pair, or if you can exploit them by folding at some point.
Solid post
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02-13-2018 , 01:42 PM
If you fold frequently to 3 bet raises i would 4bet 2.3 to 3x the 3bet size. In your oponents eyes it would shrink your range to QQ - AA. If your constantly being 3bet then understand you oponent is 3 betting you wide and would probably fold to any further aggression by u
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02-13-2018 , 01:54 PM
If i knew you wold fold to most 3 bets then i would 3 bet you with any 2 cards and fold to most 4 bets because i would you give you credit for a premium hand. In my honest opinion tightening up is not the answer. If you tighten up your range preflop to avoid being 3betted you become a very straight forward player and any competent player will exploit you. You must start to incoporate a somewhat wide 3betting and 4betting range into your repertoire so you can get paid off in later hands when you truly are holding a premium hand. Hope this helps
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