What do you guys do with these?

QJ

All stacks are approx $300 in 1/2 NL 8 handed

2 limpers and you open for $15 in the HJ.

4 callers. $75 pot

Flop 1094

They check to you and you bet $25. Two callers. Pot $150

Turn A

What is your next move? Bomb the turn? Check? 1/3 bet?

Need much more information on the villains to make that determination.

One hasn’t shown much aggression unless it’s preflop with big pairs Ax. Usually seems to limp and call.

The other does the same but also will not raise if he has a made hand until the river. One instance he had trips on the flop and a boat on the turn. Just kept checking to me as I checked back as I was initial aggressor. Seems to want others to bet for him.

That’s all I got. Hope that is helpful.

With this much equity it’s not possible to make a significant mistake — every reasonable action is +EV. But check < bet 1/3 < bet 80% pot.
If you bet 80% pot and get called, give up on blank rivers

By the way do you have position on the callers? It’s unclear from your post.

Actually, I like bet 1/3 the least. None of our value hands would want to take this size, so it doesn’t make sense to use it for our bluffs.
Either check or bomb it.

Shove turn.

Totally disagree that you can't make a significant mistake with this hand.

Shoving turn is bad because it's so much worse than checking. We have a lot of equity and get to realize all of it by checking and then playing the river IP without paying a dime. Sure shoving is not a - ev play but it's also a ton less ev than the other options and 10x the variance.

They probably aren't folding an ace vs a shove and they for sure aren't folding vs 1/3. Also when we bet third and get jammed on we hate our lives.

The only time I'm shoving combo draws is for a very large raise on a scary flop vs a villian who will fold everything but sets.

We need way more fold equity than you realize to shove the turn. Just check

Yes..

Bet more on flop, check turn as played.

You realize all of your equity by shoving too. Combo draws make very good semibluffs when there is no chance that you'll be raised and forced to fold a huge amount of equity. It's a good reason not to use 1/3 with this hand.

Only shoving combo draws on wet flops vs. nits is just ridiculously passive and specific. Do you use hands with worse equity as all-in bluffs? Why?

The only real concern is that they could have Ahxh, which makes me prefer shoving with spades, but shoving this should be fine. I'd rather check a flush draw like Kh8h or Ax flush draws with low kickers which cooler more hands on heart rivers.

What would you have bet on the flop? $40/$45?

I'm probably doing 60/70 on the flop. I play my draws the same way I play my over pairs that are afraid of draws. No idea if this is game theory correct or not, and I'm a break even 1/2 player, so maybe you shouldn't listen to me.

I just posted in another thread about a spot that I would shove a combo draw if you wanna check out my reasoning in a spot I would use it.

Yes we realize all the equity but it comes at the price of all in. So we aren't gaining anything in the way of realization with a shove.

Yes I use lower equity hands to bluff but those hands will have better blockers. Combo draws always block cards we want villians to have. They really aren't good bluffs on most boards vs most ranges. There are spots where they are good this just isn't one of them

Also the K8 fd you would check actually has better blockers and is one I'd be much more inclined to bluff with (in this hand I still wouldn't but it's closer and is a better bluff imo, blocking AK and not blocking the higher straight draw) also I totally agree we should be checking all weaker Ax fds that aren't A9