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Old 03-19-2019, 02:15 AM   #1
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5/T - Top 2 on paired board

Hero is young and aggressive but not out of line, thinking. Likely respected by V.

V is solid, certainly capable but leans tight.

5/T 5-handed. Villain 2K effective.

V opens first to act (HJ) to 35. CO calls. Hero button 3 bets Q J to 150. Only V calls.

Pot - 345

Q 8 2

Check, hero bets 105. Villain calls.

Pot - 555

Q 8 2 J

Check, hero checks back thinking T9 / sets are possible and tough to get value. I guess a Q or like 98ss. Thoughts here?

Pot - 555

Q 8 2 J 2

Villain leads 600... maybe this is trivial but have to creatively bluff here..
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:08 PM   #2
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

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Hero is young and aggressive but not out of line, thinking. Likely respected by V.

V is solid, certainly capable but leans tight.

5/T 5-handed. Villain 2K effective.

V opens first to act (HJ) to 35. CO calls. Hero button 3 bets Q J to 150. Only V calls.

Pot - 345

Q 8 2

Check, hero bets 105. Villain calls.

Pot - 555

Q 8 2 J

Check, hero checks back thinking T9 / sets are possible and tough to get value. I guess a Q or like 98ss. Thoughts here?
What? How are you aggressive and thinking if you flop/turn the virtual nuts and don't bet it.

Sets are ALWAYS possible. T9 gutshot is possible too. But that kind of possibility is always going to be in the "it's possible" category.

Bet the turn for value with top two. What are you doing?
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:48 PM   #3
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

Idk man, think I’m being tricky or something. Thought it wasn’t gonna get 3 street value on this board.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:38 PM   #4
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

I think the Jack isn't as great as it seems. Other two pair is really unlikely, and it's a bone dry flop. Most of the time if you were ahead, you still are.

Against a float, obv check turn is good. Against worse pairs, check also seems good since it'll be hard to get 3 bets and you're now less worries about free cards. AQ/KQ is the crux here, do you think he calls a b/b/b after your 3b? I guess a read here would be important.

As played on the river, are you contemplating raising? I don't see any worse hands calling or any better hands folding. I'd just call and be pretty happy about it.
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:11 PM   #5
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

No I was never raising.

My last line is more that V would have to be creative to bluff, like turn 98 or AT into bluff.
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:47 PM   #6
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

Turn play depends on what he is doing on the flop.

If he never raises flop, he gets to the turn with all combos of T9s, 88, AQ, JJ, QJs. We can't value bet as thin anymore. We should also cut down on our bluffs. QJs will be checking back sometime.

If he has flop raises, when he only calls flop and we see this turn, we can discount AQ, 88 and T9s heavily. This incentivizes us to value bet more aggressively and bluff more. QJs will most certainly be a turn bet then.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:08 AM   #7
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

was a little harsh earlier.

the line is dope if you called the river (pretty quickly)
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:12 AM   #8
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

i think turn both options are fine, but if you check it has to be an easy rivercall
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:17 PM   #9
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

It just didn’t feel great given there aren’t really natural bluffs for V, but yes I called.

Turn seems more interesting.

Others? Appreciate the input.
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Old 03-29-2019, 10:02 AM   #10
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i think turn both options are fine, but if you check it has to be an easy rivercall
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:06 PM   #11
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

The 2 is a pretty decent river. Sure he might have played AA/KK weird, but it also makes a set less likely. Although a lot of villains in description would limp with 22 so maybe this river is just meh, I guess I'd need to know villain's opening frequency.

Given he's tight, that you're LAG and have button squeezed pre, something I assume you do a fair bit given descriptions, your range here is wide on turn. His range is mostly AQ / KQ suited / underpair. He might think you've turned a draw and are semi bluffing or have a Q10 / KQ hand, so I bet turn $375 for value. He probably folds his pairs and calls with KQ and AQ. On river I probably call most bets and bet if he checks, hoping he calls AQ /KQ. If he has you beat and you're worried about it then stop playing LAG.
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Old 03-30-2019, 01:26 PM   #12
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

You have plenty of bluffs and value hands in your range (AQ, KQ, QQ, AsXs, 109s that turned a straight, etc.) that would want to be the turn, so checking top two doesn't make sense. Sure, if he folds he was worse, but plenty of worse can call. Doesn't make sense for your range to check turn.

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Old 04-02-2019, 02:13 PM   #13
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Re: 5/T - Top 2 on paired board

Turn is a clear bet. You should definitely be able to get 3 streets from AQ and maybe even a few combos of KQ. If he doesn't call you down with AQ, you'll print money on your bluffs.

After you do check back turn, river is a clear call. Yes, he needs to be creative to bluff this spot, but he can be value betting worse. AQ is a pretty clear value bet for villain and there are a couple combos of QJs that you're chopping with. KQ might go for it too.

So even if Villain is never bluffing and never betting KQ here, this is a +EV call weighing the 8 combos of AQ and 2 combos of QJs against the 10 combos of 22, JJ, QQ, 88 and T9s.
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