Hero is new to the poker room, young Asian, been on the table for several hours.

V is a 30 years old Asian male, should be a reg as staff/players know him. Just sat down for about 30 mins, bought in for $2.5K, played a hand and lost - V was in co, a straddle pot - utg limp, mp limp, V over limped in co, sb and bb calls also, straddler checks. 6 way to flop AJ6ss, straddler bet 75, only V calls. Turn Qo, straddler bet 175, V calls. River 9o, straddler bet 50 (yes, it's 50, feels like a really thin value or blocker bet), V raises to $650, straddler tank for a while and call. V shows 42ss, straddler won with Q6o.

V takes reasonable time on every street to make decisions, I would guess he doesn't want to give away information by making decision too quick.

OTTH - Hero has about 3k, V has about $1.7K

Preflop ($255) - V open 35 preflop utg, everyone fold to Hero picks up AhAs in bb 3bet to $125, V calls.

Flop ($455) QhTh6c, Hero bet $100, V calls.

Turn 3o - this is a totally brick, Hero bet 300, V thought for a bit and moves allin for $1450. Hero???

Snap.

Especially with seeing that first hand.

Pretty meh spot holding the Ah. I think a lot of the combo draw or pair+draw hands we're hoping for (KJ, J9, K9, 98, 87, 76 of ) may take alternative lines, like raising flop or flatting turn. So we're more hoping for him to overplay hands like AQ/KQ to make up for the times we run into TT/66/QT and the odd QQ. We need 34.3% equity to BE.

At least we know he has tried a decent sized bluff before. Go for it.

Flop sizing is very bad the quarter pot size isn’t a thing on qt6. You wanna bet 3/4-150% on this board. Turn looks for a big bet as well. Sorry you lost

Meh take that back I’m not very very confident on flop sizing here qt6 no fd. Feels like bigger gets more ev tho

I think I agree. If we choose to bet $100 on flop and $300 on turn, if we wanted to shove river, we'd be betting $1175 into $1055. Not a ridic overbet, but I think I'd like to set up a river shove of around 75-85% pot. If we took a line of $150 on flop, and $350 on turn, we'd be shoving $1075 into $1255 OTR, a bet of ~85% pot.

I dislike the idea of a flop overbet, we have a rather large nut disadvantage in this spot (We rarely have 66, QTs, or TT with our preflop action, while UTG has all of them). I could see using a small flop bet like OP did into a full pot turn bet though.

Ya idk if this is the case BB vs UTG. Villain has a nut advantage.

As played easy call given previous hand.

EDIT: Yea like I thought, small bet (1/3 pot) is preferred heavily otf and only 33% sizing has 157.48EV (betting 100% of range) vs 156.12EV w/ only 75% sizing (bet 95% and check 5%) vs 147.23EV w/ only 150% sizing (bet 35% and check 65%).

Turn ~75% bet is preferred.

The ranges I used might not be 100% accurate but seems close enough for argument's sake

Ranges I used:

BB: AA,KK,QQ:0.5,JJ:0.5,AKs,AKo:0.5,AQs:0.5,AJs:0.5,KQ s:0.5

UTG:
KK:0.5,QQ,JJ,TT,99,88,77,AKs:0.5,AKo,AQs,AJs,KQs,K Js,QJs

Makes sense jarrett. Thanks for checking that out!

Thank you all, as far everyone agrees with a call on the turn and majorly due to the previous hand.

How about if we don't see that hand? Is this still a +EV call? I do believe in Live 5-T games, people are way under bluffed.

I don't think it's nitpicking to point out that $100 is much smaller than 1/3p and probably losing a lot of value here. I also think it's reasonable to range split when the difference between viable bet sizes is that big with the decision tree being very manageable (small SPR and close to 0% checking).

The second part's probably irrelevant because AA with Ah leans toward the smaller sizing anyway, but just wanted to save face on lolposting's behalf and say betting 2/9p with 100% of our range is probably a bad idea on this board.

It's actually a 40% pot bet (100 into 255). Flop pot is 255, 125+125+5

Whoopsie. I was confused by how it was notated.

Whoopsie. I was confused by how it was notated, and I think maybe lolposting was too.

Using multiple bet sizes on the flop compared to using only 1/3 pot sizing adds close to zero EV but adds unnecessary complication to our strategy so unless you plan on range splitting for exploitative reasons, I don't agree.

I'd size pre a little bit bigger as vill should not have an utg open fold in position range. As played, hes just going to have to show the set to win.

So Nut advantage=larger sizing. I know it's not that simple, or I don't think it is anyway.

so in a situation where we 3 bet out of BB against a UTG open, on a board of 742, were looking at increasing our flop sizing as we have a nut Advantage? Were uncapped pre-flop, while our opponent didn't 4 bet thus we have an advantage on that board.

Conversely- on a board of 1098, were at a disadvantage, thus were looking at using a smaller sizing.

Thanks for replies

The bigger you bet the less of villain's range he has to defend. In an extreme example, let's say you bet 500% of pot. In this case, villain would only have to defend basically his nutted combos and can fold everything else. If villain has more nutted combos than we do, than he generally prefers us to bet using a bigger size.

With our equity advantage, but nut combo disadvantage, we want to bet smaller so that villain has to defend wide and we don't end up isolating ourselves vs only the nutted part of his range.

Thanks. Makes sense