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08-31-2019 , 03:45 AM
5/5 effective 700.

friday night 10pm, V in this hand sat down a couple orbits ago, hes seems like a fish but who knows. Hero has been playing TAG for about 2 hours but V doesnt know that, but I havent played a single hand since hes been here.

Hero CO AKcs opens to 20. V on the BUT quickly 3bets to 60. back to hero I make it 135. V calls.
HU
(280) flop A53ddh
hero bets 85. V raises to 220. Hero?

is there any sense in raising all in here? We almost certainly have the best hand (or were chopping) but I dont see much of what raising does, since he either read our small cbet as a bluff so hes just raising as a bluff then he will just fold to the all in, or he has AK and were gonna chop it up.

Also how can we balance a raise all in here? if our 4bet/cbet range is [AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQs, some % of: A5s/A4s/A3s/A2s/87s/76s/KTs/KJs/QJs/JTs/IDK]

or should we say the pot has become so large at this point we can forget balance, and just rip only nutted hands and flush draws here?

to be clear, if we were to call the 220, the pot would balloon to 760 and we would have 345 behind.
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08-31-2019 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
5/5 effective 700.



friday night 10pm, V in this hand sat down a couple orbits ago, hes seems like a fish but who knows. Hero has been playing TAG for about 2 hours but V doesnt know that, but I havent played a single hand since hes been here.



Hero CO AKcs opens to 20. V on the BUT quickly 3bets to 60. back to hero I make it 135. V calls.

HU

(280) flop A53ddh

hero bets 85. V raises to 220. Hero?



is there any sense in raising all in here? We almost certainly have the best hand (or were chopping) but I dont see much of what raising does, since he either read our small cbet as a bluff so hes just raising as a bluff then he will just fold to the all in, or he has AK and were gonna chop it up.



Also how can we balance a raise all in here? if our 4bet/cbet range is [AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQs, some % of: A5s/A4s/A3s/A2s/87s/76s/KTs/KJs/QJs/JTs/IDK]



or should we say the pot has become so large at this point we can forget balance, and just rip only nutted hands and flush draws here?



to be clear, if we were to call the 220, the pot would balloon to 760 and we would have 345 behind.


$150 pre as played $70 OTF, as played call/call is best but can get behind a shove.


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08-31-2019 , 09:20 AM
Shoving here is fine. You're OOP and the pot is big. Balancing range is actually quite easy, just shove fd's, almost if not all aces and some brainfart bluffs.

It's actually much easier to balance a shove than a call range here.
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08-31-2019 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pipedreamer101
$150 pre as played $70 OTF, as played call/call is best but can get behind a shove.


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I think call/call makes a lot of sense in theory, but in practice I’m afraid it might be a reverse equity slow play
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09-01-2019 , 02:34 PM
4 bet should be bigger. V would be making a huge mistake not calling a raise of 75. Flop bet was fine. It could have been larger with the available draws.

I don't know why you would c bet all of those hands oop. V will call with any A and any draw IP. Your c bet range should be much tighter oop and should not include marginal hands. Otherwise when you check you just lose. (AK is definitely a bet unless v is very aggressive.)

The problem with just calling is that v has put in nearly half his stack, and the pot will be over 700. You might as well get some fold equity now because you won't have any on the turn.
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09-01-2019 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth
4 bet should be bigger. V would be making a huge mistake not calling a raise of 75. Flop bet was fine. It could have been larger with the available draws.

I don't know why you would c bet all of those hands oop. V will call with any A and any draw IP. Your c bet range should be much tighter oop and should not include marginal hands. Otherwise when you check you just lose. (AK is definitely a bet unless v is very aggressive.)

The problem with just calling is that v has put in nearly half his stack, and the pot will be over 700. You might as well get some fold equity now because you won't have any on the turn.
i suppose 150 would be a 2.5X 4bet, but i didnt want to put more than 20% of my chips in on a 4bet (although ive also heard that 27% is the maximum u can put in so im not sure what the actual maximum % u can put in on a 4bet is)

yes i dont think i can get away with range betting unless i make the bet very small, and even then maybe i should still have some x/f range and possibly a x/c with baby Aces and KK

and why would i want some fold equity now when i have the nuts? and why wouldnt i have any fold equity if i called flop and bet turn?
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09-01-2019 , 07:52 PM
Jam flop, there's not much behind and this will get maximum value. He will end up calling with a lot of hands because of the odds being offered. No point flatting and having the turn mess up things for us.

About your preflop 4bet range. I think this is more important... I'm good with 4betting 76s and 87s on occasion, as well as A2s-A5s, but I think you need to be flatting those suited broadways here. If you are 4betting these even just some of the time, it leaves your flatting range really weak and I don't know how you'll defend postflop.

Second point about the 4bet range... be pretty careful with it because live players tend to have tight 3bet ranges, meaning 4betting a hand like JTs could do quite poorly as a 4bet.

Also as others said your 4bet needs to be bigger. I think it needs to be 180.

4betting is really situational and player dependent, just keep all of that in mind. Even playing 5/10 I feel like I am going overboard 4betting A5s since players just end up having a premium hand way more than they should. It's an adjustment in progress for me...
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