Don’t play much anymore, so maybe this spot is standard. Sorry if so.

Playing a 5/5 game at a local casino. Was at a conference in the hotel, decided to play a bit.

Been at the table maybe 2 orbits. My appearance is mid thirties business guy who has been drinking after a conference and now wants to play cards, which is accurate. Used to play a bunch, and was essentially a reg at this casino 6-7 yrs ago. Now play rarely.

Villain in the hand is a reg, probably 60y/o active-ish player, recognize him from when I used to play. Probably little chance he recognizes me, but who knows. He’s been in one notable hand since I’ve been here. He raised PF from MP. He c-bet flop, called a raise from a late position preflop caller on a flush draw flop, then went c/c on turn and river, he won with AQ for TPTK. That’s all I have for the moment, other than a recollection that the guy was a better than avg reg 5 years ago. I believe that’s the only hand he played in the 15 or so hands I’ve seen.

He has not played a hand to this point, folded both blinds.

Hero $800
Villian -$1400

Hero is button straddle with black JJ
Villian is SB and calls 10.

Four other callers

Hero raises button option to 90. V calls and one other calls. Caller also covers hero and is similar stacked to villain. FWIW, caller is the guy who raised villain in the hand described above.

Pot: ~$300

Flop 8 4 2

V open shoves after a normal pause. Caller folds.

Hero? I appreciate that it’s -70bb with the straddle. Is there a difference between decision for the long term approach if I were still playing a bunch, and the approach of being fine with a coin flip type situation to run up a stack and have fun for one night (but not make stupid calls, obviously)

Snap call. Villain sucks and should not be taking this line with any holding.

what is his range? i can't see how this is a call...

Well.. You are behind QQ, 88, 44... coin flip to flush draw.. More behind if, throw in straight draw or two overs..

Only hand we beat is 99,10-10.. And a total air..

I would say 88, 56dd ,A3dd is the most possible suspect..

i think you can remove QQ from his range based on preflop.

i think 88/44/22/many FDs, and TT/99 discounted.

So weird..did you call? I can’t imagine what kind of hand takes this line? I think his range has to be pretty polarized. If he has a strong draw, why does he want to fold you out so badly? Why not build a pot? He never has aa or kk like this, he was trapping and then shoved once he got the trap set? I think a set is the most likely scenario here. Trying to confuse you and get a call out of an overpair or maybe a hope you hero with AK. I dunno....

Rly easy call lol at villains line sorry you lost

This isn't a reason to snap call. I agree with second part but it doesn't mean just pay him off because his line makes no sense. I think the worst hand he has here is some big draw like two diamonds like AdTd which has 45% equity against us. I reckon he never has TT, 99 here since that would be completely ******ed and OP said this guy has been playing poker for at least five years and wasn't so bad back then. Also sounds like he sort of has a clue from the hand you described earlier calling river with TPTK when flush draw busted.

Seems like a slightly ahead/wb spot and I can't see how this can be good.

So what hands are you calling?

The fact that he shouldn't be making this play with any holding is very relevant. It shows that he doesn't know what he's doing and has bad fundamentals. There is no particular reason to assign him a strong range, as we have never seen him showdown in a similar situation. In fact, my experience in similar spots is that they tend to have dumb one pair hands like T8s or 66.

Thanks for the supporting information. Now I understand why you would snap call.

Sometimes people just want to blast off. I can appreciate that, in fact have done so myself when I didn't think I could be called.

Yeaup

In game, I had his range as a fairly large majority of flushdraws, with some gutshot outs. The sets don't make sense to play this way. I suppose its possible, but negligible. QQ+ almost certainly would have raised or 3b preflop. No 2pr.

As to flush draws, I thought it made sense to give him mostly smaller connected diamonds in light of the limp call. 9Tdd, 89dd, 67dd, 56dd, A8dd, as I think at least a portion of his larger broadway diamonds come in for a raise at some point PF. KQdd could be a limp call, but AKdd, AQdd likely raise, maybe AJdd does as well. Those combos arent discounted too much, but I think there is a portion of the time when they open raise.

99 TT could be in there, but I think they are unlikely as well.

Nice call. I probably fold as I can only put him on the sets and combo draws like A3 or A5. But All the Cheese makes a good point that this is an absurd line to make with any holding without some very weird meta-game where you both have leveled each other a bunch of times. Hope the conference drinks were at least free.

This is so villain dependant. Some players will never play draws like this, some often.

I´ve seen this line from players afraid to loose a big pot with bottom set or Aces a lot.

^ no it’s not rly villain dependent

100% this I don't what you guys are talking about.

If you wanted to apply an exploitative approach I feel like you should go the other way and call wider as I don't exploitatively expect sets/2p to take this line

Hilarious thread. Don't understand people who don't think this is a snap.

Fist pump.