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5/10nl I 3bet light and this happens 5/10nl I 3bet light and this happens

09-22-2018 , 07:37 PM
I've been at the table a few hours and I've pretty much run like God. I had AA 2 hands in a row and stacked someone both times, and I stacked the player to my right as well. I'm playing a ton of pots, 3 betting a lot and just generally aggro, but showing winning hands all the time.
Onto the hand.

Ep (bad loose old guy) opens 30, player to my right calls and and I make it 140 with q8d and only player to my right calls. He's a younger player I've never seen before, but seems to be pretty thoughtful and playing tag.

Flop (325) 678r. Check to me and I bet 230, and he calls.
Turn (785) k giving me diamonds. Vill checks with about 1240 and I jam.

Not really sure what I'm expecting from posting this but for whatever reason this one hand is stuck in my hand. My thinking was that vill was heavily weighted to 99/10 and maybe some 89s, A8s and jj.
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09-22-2018 , 10:18 PM
Running so hot can make us forgetful that we can't win every pot.

This is obviously a fold pre-flop, especially with a thoughtful tag in the hand.

As played, villain could have flopped a set or straight and guessed you'd blast off at him (like you did)...

He could also have KQs that decided to get stubborn after watching you be continuously aggressive.

I don't know...strange, ****ty spot.

Fold pre, rack up because you were thinking about raising and get a really amazing meal and uptick that hourly.
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09-22-2018 , 10:24 PM
Betting flop for that sizing and jamming turn seem incongruous. Hard to know how aggro you’ve been / how (if at all) the table has adjusted to it. He’s got a lot of nut hands and a possible dynamic where he’ll feel fine letting you barrel off


Preflop your hand is doing a disservice to your image and who you’re attacking imo. In a vacuum seems like that’ll be hard to get thru / extract value without making plays like you chose to...which seems problematic when viewing your session as a whole; you’re winning, showing down hands, this seems more like a punt rather than an extension of being aggro
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09-24-2018 , 05:52 AM
Pre is ok (ish)
Flop looks like a Check
Turn- are you bluffing? Value betting? Trying some weird merge?
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09-25-2018 , 01:24 AM
Preflop I slightly regretted as I was doing it as I'd rather have either a more playable post flop hand or an A or K, but I thought I could get either some folds or light calls that will fold most flops. On the flop I am betting mostly for value and equity protection. On the turn I'm bluffing with a fair amount of equity if called, although I think I get more folds then calls.
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09-25-2018 , 02:19 AM
Its interesting

Seems like the mesh point is whether villain gets to the flop with 65s or 98s and folds those and calls 2p+
Is he deciding based on his range or is he gonna make some live decisions


Would like it more in a situation where you’re at least perceived to have tighter ranges. Vs an unknown I’d prob over fold 99-QQ. Vs a semi aggro hard to put you on hands that want to over bet

Vs this unknown villain, hard to say what way he thinks and how much heart he’s got. From both pov it’s hard to get stacks back in 2018
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09-29-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Pre is ok (ish)
Flop looks like a Check
Turn- are you bluffing? Value betting? Trying some weird merge?
What's rationale for checking flop?
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09-29-2018 , 04:32 PM
Think about pf ranges and what hands are in the pot here with you. I think the only thing betting does is knock out some hands like aq/kq/ maybe some ak since most live regs don’t 4b ak. So betting 8x is really just a protection bet since you don’t really get called by worse. I don’t think protection is a thing here on this board in a 3b pot
Also to make it simpler. The pot is already pretty big and this particular hand isn’t really all that excited about forcing more $ In
There’s Also just way more combos that beat us now. The overpairs 9s-qq. Kk might not even get 4b 100% some slow played aa
Then all the speculative hands that crush this board like sets flopped straights etc. then we have the hands we beat like the unpaired broadways. But since we have a q we block some of that and also makes the bad cards that could suck out only look like j/k/a
My 2c fwiw

Last edited by lolposting2016; 09-29-2018 at 04:43 PM.
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10-01-2018 , 01:51 AM
I'd check the flop. As played, taking the free card on the turn, planning to check back the river un-improved.

I don't think a jam is all that bad, but I still like checking a little bit better.
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10-04-2018 , 04:14 PM
Usually I dont post results, but this one was a little weird and made me think about the hand way more then usual. Obviously Villian calls. I tell him he's probably good and he shows A6s as I show my hand.
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10-05-2018 , 12:14 AM
Did he have the flush draw with the A6s? If so, I actually don't mind his call down given your table image.
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10-06-2018 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
Usually I dont post results, but this one was a little weird and made me think about the hand way more then usual. Obviously Villian calls. I tell him he's probably good and he shows A6s as I show my hand.
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10-06-2018 , 05:42 PM
Hopefully you held and won. It’s not about who made the bigger mistakes in this hand (villain playing A6s like this seems very not good), what I’d be concerned about is how you’re adjusting while playing an outwardly obvious LAG style

While you may have gotten players like me to fold a better hand, clearly villain wasn’t in that frame of mind; yes it’s a vacuum and not a spot for population reads, but as said before I think flop and turn decisions are incongruous vs a reasonably played range. Variance was your friend here

You’re playing for fun and not trying to achieve anything (other than all the $) but I’d challenge you to come up with ranges and just ev calc this to see what’s going on. Your future self might thank you
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10-06-2018 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop
Hopefully you held and won. It’s not about who made the bigger mistakes in this hand (villain playing A6s like this seems very not good), what I’d be concerned about is how you’re adjusting while playing an outwardly obvious LAG style

While you may have gotten players like me to fold a better hand, clearly villain wasn’t in that frame of mind; yes it’s a vacuum and not a spot for population reads, but as said before I think flop and turn decisions are incongruous vs a reasonably played range. Variance was your friend here

You’re playing for fun and not trying to achieve anything (other than all the $) but I’d challenge you to come up with ranges and just ev calc this to see what’s going on. Your future self might thank you
This is part of the reason why I played the hand as I did, as I felt that vill might be playing some form of a GTO strategy. I think in retrospect, that betting just under half pot in order to set up a river jam (in vills mind] may look stronger. Even if I get slightly less folds its probably more profitable since I will jam only when I improve. I really think its important to have noticeably different strategies vs different player types. I do think my hand will do fine in a solver vs most ranges assuming I have reasonable fold equity.
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