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06-19-2018 , 09:09 AM
Effect stacks ~ 2.8k

Villain is a pro, no other reads.

Pre: hero is dealt 66
Vil raises $40 from EP, hero calls from MP (should I 3bet or fold?) 3 others call.

Flop ($200): 444
Checks to me , I bet $100, vil calls everyone else folds.

Turn ($400): 3
Vil checks, I bet $300, he x/r to $750, I call.

River ($1900): 9
Vil jams ~ 2k, Hero?


So thinking back it's fairly obvious that my decision should be on the turn, because even though he's clicking it back, he's shoving river 100% of the time so it's not $450 to continue it's actually $2450. Vil is getting a good price to reverse float flop with any 2 broadways and due to my not squeezing pre, my range looks face up and capped.
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06-19-2018 , 01:33 PM
As played, I fold turn. Villain is uncapped and has a very dominant nut advantage {A4s,33,AA-QQ} over your range which at best is {33 and slow played QQ preflop}

Could you please explain your reasoning for betting turn? 3/4 pot is too large to deny equity against two overs.
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06-19-2018 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGSwineFlu
As played, I fold turn. Villain is uncapped and has a very dominant nut advantage {A4s,33,AA-QQ} over your range which at best is {33 and slow played QQ preflop}

Could you please explain your reasoning for betting turn? 3/4 pot is too large to deny equity against two overs.
You mention 33 as being a nutted hand on two separate occasions. Uh....?



To op - Fold to turn raise, but my advice is grounded in neither experience nor expertise. I just came here to threadsh*t
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06-19-2018 , 02:35 PM
This is huge spew. The flop bet is too big if you recognize that it is almost purely for equity denial and not value. A very small bet is effective for that purpose, like $50.

The turn bet sizing is lighting money on fire. You only need to bet a size to make overs indifferent between calling/folding, or just check.

Recognize when an opponent has a polarized range and don’t bet into it, or bet a small sizing for the purpose of equity denial.

People don’t bluff enough in live poker. He is going to show up with AA specifically more often than he should to make you indifferent. It is suspicious that he check/called flop and check/raised turn, instead of just x/r flop, which is how he should continue with hands he doesn’t want to fold.
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06-19-2018 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blasted7
You mention 33 as being a nutted hand on two separate occasions. Uh....?



To op - Fold to turn raise, but my advice is grounded in neither experience nor expertise. I just came here to threadsh*t
Sorry, brain fart.
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06-19-2018 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
This is huge spew. The flop bet is too big if you recognize that it is almost purely for equity denial and not value. A very small bet is effective for that purpose, like $50.

The turn bet sizing is lighting money on fire. You only need to bet a size to make overs indifferent between calling/folding, or just check.

Recognize when an opponent has a polarized range and don’t bet into it, or bet a small sizing for the purpose of equity denial.

People don’t bluff enough in live poker. He is going to show up with AA specifically more often than he should to make you indifferent. It is suspicious that he check/called flop and check/raised turn, instead of just x/r flop, which is how he should continue with hands he doesn’t want to fold.
In the context of a live setting, 1/2 pot is small on the flop. Also felt like if I bet small OTT I would get x/r 100% of the time (even tho he did it anyway). Checking back turn to prevent getting bluffed means that I'm almost giving villain direct pot odds to call flop with ATC. As an aside, it seems like the super crushers I see don't shy away from betting in these spots and they win heaps when they call down in a 6k pot with one pair type hands.
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06-19-2018 , 10:12 PM
Easy fold man. The fact that you are capped on this board is a reason to not build big pots and also to fold facing aggression, not a reason to call down like a station.
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06-21-2018 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pauper
In the context of a live setting, 1/2 pot is small on the flop. Also felt like if I bet small OTT I would get x/r 100% of the time (even tho he did it anyway).
Then bet the turn small and call all the way. I really dislike the turn sizing. It's just not good for your range.
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06-22-2018 , 11:06 AM
I think I am checking the turn tbh. IF you do bet, it should be like 1/3 pot or less. You're trying to get worse to call. 66 is not even close to a nutted hand on this board as there are 54 combos of better pocket pairs, not to mention about 4 combos of realistic 4x suited hands he can have.

Yes you are ahead of A high... and if you want to deny equity , then bet very small. But as you said, you felt like you would get X/r ... so don't bet at all. Or let it go when you get raised. This is not a good enough hand to bluff catch with. Doubt people are going this crazy with A high.
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06-22-2018 , 12:03 PM
I think flop is a really tricky spot 5 ways. I don't know if betting to deny equity is more valuable than the fact you have a capped range vs the opener and close to zero 4x - aside from A4s and maybe 54s that didn't 3bet/fold pre - whereas I'm assuming the BTN and BB are part of the callers and they have a lot more 4x, especially the BB.

So yeah I dunno man... tricky flop spot and I don't think I can give you a "right" answer. But if I do know if I'm betting flop it's gonna be for a very small size like 1/3 pot or less.

Turn I would check back. As played I would fold the turn and then as played on the river I would fold again.
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06-23-2018 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pauper
In the context of a live setting, 1/2 pot is small on the flop. Also felt like if I bet small OTT I would get x/r 100% of the time (even tho he did it anyway). Checking back turn to prevent getting bluffed means that I'm almost giving villain direct pot odds to call flop with ATC. As an aside, it seems like the super crushers I see don't shy away from betting in these spots and they win heaps when they call down in a 6k pot with one pair type hands.
I've played a lot of live poker, and yes, 1/2 pot is considered small, but that's a big leak by a lot of players. Sometimes it is appropriate to bet small, and this is one case. What happens to your opponents' ranges when you bet 1/2 pot vs. 1/4 pot on the flop? Are you happy when your opponents don't fold?

Of course it is difficult to play the hand once the pre-flop raiser calls the flop. He has a big range advantage over you on this board texture. You shouldn't be going ham against him on the turn like this in a spot where he can confidently raise many hands for value and bluff fearlessly against your weak, capped range. Betting so large is lightning money on fire and serves no purpose. There's no need to pretend to have a strong hand in a spot where you almost never have a strong hand.

Why are you playing so high anyway? 5|T is often the biggest and toughest game in most rooms.
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06-23-2018 , 03:05 AM
Pretty sick spot my dude. As many have said it’s ok to downsize bets on dry board, as many way ahead way behind spots.
The other reason to downsize is for pot control in a marginal spot.
I would probably call turn, and fold the riv. I still believe he can have AK


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