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Old 02-23-2019, 08:38 PM   #1
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5/10 vs. unknown reg

Just sat down at what seems like a reggy table. First time at this cardroom, don't know anybody.

V: MAWG, no reads since don't know him. For sure experienced player, no idea his tendencies. Has opened a couple times already.

H: One of the younger guys at the table. Effective stack 900.

MAWG opens to 35 UTG. Folds to Hero with A2s - I'll fold this roughly half the time but decide to over-call.

(~85) Flop: A62r. V checks. H bets 40. V calls.
(~165) Turn: A629 (fd on board, which we do not have). V checks. H bets 125. V calls.
(~415) River: A629Q. No flush. V checks. H bets 350. V pauses then shoves overtop (covers hero). Hero folds.

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Old 02-24-2019, 03:21 PM   #2
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Re: 5/10 vs. unknown reg

Lol fold.

He minraised all in on river.

Doesn't matter what we think he is supposed to have or not have.

He has you beat.

I think you will run into 99 a lot.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:04 AM   #3
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Re: 5/10 vs. unknown reg

Um, 2 pair, over 1.1k in pot with only 350 behind, and you fold? He could have AK and x'ed otf bc he thought he had you dead. Then when you started betting he decided he might make some money with TPTK after all. You were over 4 to 1 pot odds here. You can't win 20% of the time?
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:08 AM   #4
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He minraised all in on river.
Um, yeah because Hero set the price. And if he has AK with only 350 behind and 765 in the pot, that is still the only move to make.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:07 PM   #5
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Um, yeah because Hero set the price. And if he has AK with only 350 behind and 765 in the pot, that is still the only move to make.
I bet pretty big, which is troubling..

I don't think AK shoves, it's the perfect calling hand all 3 streets against a triple barrel. If he shoved AK, he's pretty bad and I misread him.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:37 PM   #6
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I bet pretty big, which is troubling..

I don't think AK shoves, it's the perfect calling hand all 3 streets against a triple barrel. If he shoved AK, he's pretty bad and I misread him.
It's not bad when there is 750+ in the pot and only 350 behind. It's not bad with AK or AJ, probably AT. If there were more behind, say a pot sized bet, it would be bad, but anyone with just about anything has to call getting 3 to 1.

The point wasn't that he probably had AK. The point was that he had to play most made hands getting such good odds, and once the pot was huge compared to stacks, he may have bet hoping to get a fold or going for thin value. He knows he can't get reraised, so why not?

You had the board pretty crushed otr. No straights or flushes are possible. You can only get called by a few hands you beat. It's not a requirement to bet 2/3 pot or more. You could have gone smaller, making a call more enticing and an allin bigger. For example, if you bet 150 into 415, the allin would have been 550 and would have been pot-sized. That makes it much more expensive for him to bluff shove and much easier for you to get away from a hand that is beaten.

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Old 03-03-2019, 04:39 AM   #7
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Re: 5/10 vs. unknown reg

Was it 9 handed and he opened utg? You called from where? Even if youre on the btn if he opened utg for 3.5x A2s isnt a call at 90bb stacks and is a definitely not a call if youre not on the btn. You can 3bet if you think he overfolds or opens too wide but mostly just a fold pre and never a call.

As played whatever I'd sigh call river and hate it. Probably shoving river myself as played.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:37 PM   #8
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Was it 9 handed and he opened utg? You called from where? Even if youre on the btn if he opened utg for 3.5x A2s isnt a call at 90bb stacks and is a definitely not a call if youre not on the btn. You can 3bet if you think he overfolds or opens too wide but mostly just a fold pre and never a call.

As played whatever I'd sigh call river and hate it. Probably shoving river myself as played.
Correct, 9 handed and UTG open. Folded to me on the button. I agree this is more of a fold than a call pre.

I'm ready to shove on non-K/Q/J rivers. The Q scared me a bit, AQ/QQ both there.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:38 PM   #9
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It's not bad when there is 750+ in the pot and only 350 behind. It's not bad with AK or AJ, probably AT. If there were more behind, say a pot sized bet, it would be bad, but anyone with just about anything has to call getting 3 to 1.

The point wasn't that he probably had AK. The point was that he had to play most made hands getting such good odds, and once the pot was huge compared to stacks, he may have bet hoping to get a fold or going for thin value. He knows he can't get reraised, so why not?

You had the board pretty crushed otr. No straights or flushes are possible. You can only get called by a few hands you beat. It's not a requirement to bet 2/3 pot or more. You could have gone smaller, making a call more enticing and an allin bigger. For example, if you bet 150 into 415, the allin would have been 550 and would have been pot-sized. That makes it much more expensive for him to bluff shove and much easier for you to get away from a hand that is beaten.
I'm not sure about sizing down purely for convenience purposes, we lose fat value from AK/AJ/AT hands. Tough tradeoff.
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Old 03-04-2019, 04:59 PM   #10
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Correct, 9 handed and UTG open. Folded to me on the button. I agree this is more of a fold than a call pre.
It's not "more of a fold than a call than a fold" it's never a call and maybe a 3bet with these stack sizes, and a mistake.
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:26 PM   #11
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It's not "more of a fold than a call than a fold" it's never a call and maybe a 3bet with these stack sizes, and a mistake.
This is what I needed to hear. It's appreciated
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Old 03-08-2019, 04:07 AM   #12
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Just sat down at what seems like a reggy table. First time at this cardroom, don't know anybody.

V: MAWG, no reads since don't know him. For sure experienced player, no idea his tendencies. Has opened a couple times already.

H: One of the younger guys at the table. Effective stack 900.

MAWG opens to 35 UTG. Folds to Hero with A2s - I'll fold this roughly half the time but decide to over-call.

(~85) Flop: A62r. V checks. H bets 40. V calls.
(~165) Turn: A629 (fd on board, which we do not have). V checks. H bets 125. V calls.
(~415) River: A629Q. No flush. V checks. H bets 350. V pauses then shoves overtop (covers hero). Hero folds.

Thoughts?
What...?

It's either +EV to call here or not in this exact spot (ignoring the EV of 3-betting), and you either call or you dont. You don't just randomly mix frequencies in this spot just 'cause. This is regfish mentality.

Pre is a fold

3b pre is an even bigger torch than calling pre.
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Old 03-11-2019, 02:56 PM   #13
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Re: 5/10 vs. unknown reg

why did u bet three streets
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