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5/10 NL HL - Missed Value? 5/10 NL HL - Missed Value?

03-09-2018 , 10:08 AM
This is a hand I recenlty played at the borgata at 5/10. Villain 1 is a tight, slightly weak player and villain 2 is a little aggressive, but doesn't get crazy out of line.

Hero 1010 MP
villain 1: xxs (Thinking about it now, might have been AJ)
Vilain 2: ??

Villain 1 calls UTG, Hero raises to 35 Villain 2 and Villain 1 call.

Flop

Ks K 10s

Villain 1 chk, Hero bets 75, both villains call.

Turn J

Villain 1 and hero both check. The idea behind this check was to induce a bluff, and throw people off my range, but I think I may have levelled myself a bit.

Villain 2 Bets 255, Villain 1 calls.

Villain 1 calling here surprised me. He was a tight player so for some reason at the time a flush draw didn't make sense to me. Villain 2 could have been "trapping" with KQ or KJ and gotten there on the turn. Or even calling with JJ. He didn't need to reraise that preflop. AK wasn't likely cause he might reraise that preflop. I don't think he's ever calling a flush draw with such a nasty paired board. K10 was pretty unlikely, but possible. I just called behind.

River 7s

Villain 1 checks. I checked behind and to my chagrin villain 2 checks. did I miss value by playing it so safe, or was I right in thinking the J could easily have hit villain 2's range hard?

Last edited by DannyAIC; 03-09-2018 at 10:19 AM.
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03-09-2018 , 05:00 PM
You got them both to call you otf, idk why you shut it down. bet/bet/bet and raise more pre over a limper.
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03-09-2018 , 05:18 PM
Because betting the turn doesn’t give my opponents the chance to make a second best hand, and gives draws the opportunity to bluff. If I show strength on two rounds of betting on an allready dangerous board, weaker hands now have a chance to get away without losing any more money, and stronger hands are building a big pot. I don’t see these guys donking off their chips here with Ajs or AQ when I’ve bet a second time. The only hands I’m missing getting extra money from are KQ and QJs. I don’t think AK is out there.
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03-10-2018 , 01:02 PM
You get what you most want.

You wanted deception and protection of your range. You wanted to not lose too much money in case someone had coolered you. You got that.

Real fat value, one that makes the world go crazy and puts zeros in your bank account, you did not get that. Because you didn't want it bad enough.
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03-10-2018 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by iamallin
You get what you most want.

You wanted deception and protection of your range. You wanted to not lose too much money in case someone had coolered you. You got that.

Real fat value, one that makes the world go crazy and puts zeros in your bank account, you did not get that. Because you didn't want it bad enough.
I hear ya. I tend to play small ball, earning a little at a time versus going for the big win. I felt like my opponents ranges were way too strong and our stacks were too deep, type of hand could easily get me in trouble.
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03-10-2018 , 10:50 PM
yes you missed value.

you know it.

you flopped a full house on a draw heavy board and ended up betting $75 during 3 streets in a 5/10 game.
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03-11-2018 , 03:39 PM
Yeah the more I think about it I should have bet like 650-700 on the river
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03-11-2018 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
You got them both to call you otf, idk why you shut it down. bet/bet/bet and raise more pre over a limper.
This.
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03-12-2018 , 04:07 PM
Effects of being under rolled or playing outside your comfort zone.
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03-13-2018 , 02:17 PM
Also kind of hard to tell given we don't have stack sizes. Your play makes more sense 500-1000 blinds deep than it does say 100-300 deep. Value is value, but in the latter case we should be fine going broke with the under-full whereas in the former potentially not.

Honestly I would either raised the turn or bet the river regardless of stack size so I think you missed at least one street.
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03-13-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
Also kind of hard to tell given we don't have stack sizes. Your play makes more sense 500-1000 blinds deep than it does say 100-300 deep. Value is value, but in the latter case we should be fine going broke with the under-full whereas in the former potentially not.

Honestly I would either raised the turn or bet the river regardless of stack size so I think you missed at least one street.
That's encouraging but still I was only 250 BB deep. Part of the problem, as someone mentioned above, I think was that I came to the casino and I never knew I could buy in there for more than 1000, so when I came in, I bought in for 2500, and that was my only buy in for the day. So, at least at first I may have been playing a little scared. (this was my second hand) Later on I got near full value out of a weak straight, on a board with three hearts and a pair, so that should tell you something haha.

Yeah, I think at least on the river I should have bet at least 650-700. I still think I made the right play checking on the turn, and throwing any weaker hands off my range.
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03-14-2018 , 03:38 AM
Generally when your plan is to check raise to get maximum pain from a king, and you don't do it when you get what you wanted, then you should've bet on your own to begin with.

KQs/AJss/AQss/AKo all make sense for V1 described. I'd really only be afraid of KJs and there's what, one combo of that? You can always make this a bet fold if someone raises you again.
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