Looking for a few different perspectives on this

In a live 5/10 NL cash game and have 99 on the button. I have 1500 stack and the villain has about 5k There is one limp from early position and the villain raises to 50 from middle position. I call with 99 on the button. The big blind and the original limper calls the 50.

Flop: 3c, 9c, Jd

Action goes check, check. Villain bets 80. I call. Other two fold.

Turn: 10h

Vill bets 220. I call

River: Ah

Vill shoves

What do you do and why?

Curious to see what everyone's take is. I'll share the outcome after I get some feedback. Thanks!!

Seems like a pretty clear call vs agro players, more info on villain makes this a lot easier

Not raising the flop seems quite bad

Raise flop.

As played, call.

I’d call

you are going to get zero worthwhile perspectives if you fail to describe villain. river can be a slam dunk, high five the dealer sort of call or a pretty easy fold.

also unless you are insanely passive (which you need to change asap), flatting this flop is atrocious.


as for a generic response, i am not folding to an unknown here. he can be value betting worse.

Crying call. If he's got AA, TT, or KQ, oh well. We let him get there.

This.

Can we consider 3 betting preflop?

As played I think we have to call. But really we should be raising this flop.

I don't play this high, but not raising the flop seems criminal.

Yeah I'd call river. Not super thrilled though. I'd also raise flop.

I'm gonna just reinforce that the second I saw you didn't raise the flop I thought uh oh...haha. But as played, you can certainly call the river. Villain probably doesn't put you on a set here, more likely one or tow pair, and there's a possigbility he thinks he can blow you off the hand. Just be prepared to see JJ

Can't flat that flop 4 ways.

River is 1150 into 800 I don't think you can find a fold here. It's also a good runout for him to bluff (although we're readless).

it's hard to answer this without any reads

Consider 3 betting Pre OTB and most certainly as played without 3-betting button (which is also fine hence the "consider") you need to be raising this flop like 100% of times. Your making your turn decisions more difficult by flatting such a bord texture.

You way underrepped your hand so i think you have to call.

I generally don't like underrepping the hand, as you never really know where you're at. Sometimes you're inducing / sometimes you're getting owned and you'll never know the difference.

I don't hate calling flop. It's probably still a raise but it's a spot where your relative position favors slowplaying slightly more than if the other two players folded to you and you were HU.

I'm pretty sure you're beat here and not getting a good enough price. 33 doesn't overbet, and even if it did it's not enough combos you win against. People don't really bluff this spot for this size, and besides, what are his bluffs?

Totally agree with this. Three betting is a viable option here imo.

Hard to get too detailed on the river with no info on the villain here. In general, hold your nose and call.

Reraising pre is probably more than a couple of big blinds lower in EV than calling.

Really like @Renton55 thought process. What are his bluffs? My first instinct is total call.. but it’s a little more tricky. I’m assuming at this stakes villain is capable of a wild ballsy bluff with kings and queens. Betting two pair this hard seems strange. This situation sucks..


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You got a lot of good feedback already but I'll add my 2cents. I like the flat on the button with 99s. Your hand is kind of face up but if you face a 4bet you'll lose all your equity. I do think the flop should be raised, especially because you're 4ways. On the turn if you're planning on calling an all in on the river than maybe you can find a few raises on the turn(??). As played a call on the river I think is fine. Someone earlier mentioned that the villain doesn't have any bluffs but there are a few flush draws that might jam that spot and your line looks drawy also so there's definitely a chance he's trying to blow you off your missed draws and medium strength hands.

Fine as played, now call. Raising flop/turn prob good but whatevers. Never fold river as played.

Possibly. I think it is pretty close though. Getting four bet is a bad result obv, but I still think it is viable. No issue with the flat preflop though. I do think you mostly should be raising the flop though. With a flop that wet and four players, flatting is going to let villain(s) realize a ton of equity.

Lots of people advocating for a raise on the flop, and I think I agree. With multi way pots it’s more important to not slow play, and Play hands more straightforwardly. If you’re worried that your hand strength will be too obvious you could also bluff some in this spot (maybe KQ QT KT?) but I wouldn’t overdo it.

As for the river, I like to call. If villain has KQ, he made the nuts on the turn and is already thinking about how best to get stacks in. If he were to bet 300+ on the turn, the river jam goes down much easier, so I’m wondering why he would size small on the turn to make this awkward size river jam... smells like he might have rivered something to change his mind.
So I put villain on AJ or AA here and call.


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I am with Renton.

16 combos of KQ completely kill the math for us imo. Just not enough natural bluffs here.

If he is capable of doing this with AJ, I am going to call off. If not, I like a fold. Go back to all the hands you've seen him play and see if you've seen him value betting very aggressively in spots where he thought he was up against a capped range ( although our range is not really capped here - we can still have KQ ..which makes this is a really difficult spot to bluff catch)

no results 2 months lol

I'm a bit surprised a handful of people are advocating for just flatting such a wet flop in a multi way pot... Villians MP raise clearly has suited Broadway's in range several of which connect with that flop or draw to nutted hands. Given flop action check,check, Villian leads 80... by flatting we open the door not only for clubs to come in but also a 10 ball which just so happens to fall and hit villians range pretty hard. On another note given it's a multiway pot suited clubs defending in blinds such as 6c 7c or 7c 8c are all within range and easily pealing a turn. I personally don't see much merit in checking this flop in a multiway pot I understand EP players folded to flop bet from villian but any two clubs are getting a great price and hypothetical if the best club falls on turn Jc it slows action dramatically because of the runout. I think putting in a raise and playing this pot HU vs Villian is your most +EV way to play this hand. Still no result posted but one thing is for sure the 10 ball on the turn hit the villians range pretty hard and you found yourself in a sticky spot.