5/10 Live, 9 handed. Game has been playing pretty big and loose, bc of whale.

Whale: 7k - 60 year old middle eastern, raises EP & even UTG to 5bb with any 2, saw him raise with 62s, A8o, 65o. Donks 1/3 to 1/2 pot a lot on majority of flops and turns , some rivers too.

Villain: 4k, winning reg, plays a TAG style usually, but saw him make big bluff vs whale and seems to be slightly tilting, but not sure, he’s losing maybe 2k in sesh.

Me: 5k - known as winning reg, mostly TAG, but this sesh LAG due to whale to my right, was 3b whale open a ton since he was to my direct right.

Hand: (4k effective.)

Whale open UTG+1 50, we 3b to 150 w 8♦️8♥️ from UTG+2, Reg cold call from CO. Whale calls. (450)

Flop: 7♥️ 3♣️ 2♦️
I bet 175, reg calls quick, whale folds. (800)

Turn: Q♥️
I check. Reg bets 350. I call. (1500)

Riv: K♥️
I chk, reg bets 800. (2300).


Call / fold? What hands is he repping?

Getting 2.88 to 1, so we got to be right only 26%?









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He’s repping QQ, flushes, and KQs if he even flats that pre. Some slowplayed AA/KK

I think when a reg cold calls here he has a lot of 99-QQ hands, some AKs/AQs/AKo.suited broadways, probably not weak SCs. Im actually pretty inclined to x/f this flop vs cold caller and whale. The whale will have a good hand here a decent amount, and the reg has a very strong range here

I dont think 3b pre that early position is good either. You have 6 players left to act, many who have position, and 3b pre destroys your implied odds.

Ranges are really outta whack here given 3b. Ott I think i am barreling to get him off 99-JJ, some floats, or just x/f.

Otr i just fold

Fold.

The key to solving this hand is

Another raise/fold spot. Mostly just fold though.

easy fold on turn

as played fold river

I'd have folded turn. We beat 65s, 54s, A4s, A5s for hands that he can play like this ever (and I don't expect him to just slam in a cold call here with any of those hands since your 3 bet from EP should be stronger than your late position isolation raises).

Fold.

It is hard to imagine anything you're beating.

Result:

I was the V in this hand, I had 2 napkins.

My opponent had 88 & called turn and river & he won.

instead of posting from my angle, I wanted to see if I made a good bluff or not.

Pre is pretty bad. You could call some hands to keep fish in. But you want to be having some really good stuff here to be in there vs the 3b in ep
Your 2 cards matter also for whether this bluff is gonna be good or losing
Rereviewing the post flop sizing it looks pretty not so hot
Looks like you bet like half pot here and that’s going to force the oop player who’s bluffcatching to be calling w a pretty hi frequency.
Otr oop should Probbaly be looking to fold most 88 combos but looks like he’s exploiting you here by calling a bit wider than optimal.
But yea pre is pretty bad and you are prolly floating way 2 wide if you can have air by the time the board runs out like this

Whoa, plot twist! Didn't see that one coming. I love a good surprise.


I'm not a fan of cold calling in general, but especially with the plan to bluff. I find it is too risky especially with the chance of the original raiser putting more in.

Flop seems okay to float since sizing is so small. Turn, I would not bet this small as a bluff. Given that you played the way you did to this point, river sizing seems good.

The problem with using this scenario to determine if this is a good bluff or not is the fact that 88 is near the bottom of your opponent's range. Sometimes he's going to have AQ, AK, QQ, KK, etc... where he isn't going to fold. Either he's calling with 88 because he is a station, or he notices you are tilting and is exploiting you.

Given that you know he has exactly 88 and with him not being aware of this knowledge, it is a good bluff, but you didn't know this until after the hand was over.

Since you are exploiting with air, you need your opponent to be overfolding and not overcalling.

Pretty much all of this.

Flop vs a reg who's 3betting an uncapped linear value range pre cause he's isolating a whale, and then gets cold called, and is now betting the flop 3 way, and the board isn't dynamic, and while we started many BBs effective the 5x open and 3x 3bet + cold call have the SPR not so huge, why are we floating the flop? And what are you cold calling pre?? 4bet the reg if you think he's isoing too wide.

Unless you got some physical tell on the whale that he was gonna fold his hand otf...(which a lot of weaker players have in multiway pots where they've folded in their mind already, one of the easiest tells to pick up on imo) in which case yea I guess peeling is ok because of those reasons I said you really shouldn't ever be floating here 3way with whale in the pot (esp if he's capable of x/r this board).

So we all agree that in a vacuum, villain's calldown isn't good.

So OP, what are your ranges on every street

1) Call 3 bets cold preflop
2) Call flop
3) Bet turn
4) Bet river

If that’s really what the “Real Villain” thinks of you, it’s a terrible bluff
Wait until you have a more credible image to try to exploit anything out of him

this isnt how you determine bluffing ranges/frequencies

fold!!!

I don't think you can call here. The reg can comfortably value bet a ton of hands that beat 88 here. The sizing smells like value.

I'm actually tempted to shove here, he should be value betting a queen or better here and a check shove looks really strong in my opinion