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Old 09-01-2017, 06:25 AM   #1
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5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Live 5/10, few ppl left and now we're 4 handed.

Hero - lag image , but generally pretty solid image
3.5k

V - tag , solid, winning reg , generally plays abc
4K, V opens almost 100% button

4 handed -

V opens 30 from Button, Hero calls in SB w J9 off.
Heads up.

Flop: A 10 6 rainbow,

hero c/calls 35.

Turn: 8,

Hero chk, V bet 85, Hero c\r to 240, V calls pretty quickly , river 8. Hero bets 450.

Good / bad / meh?


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Old 09-01-2017, 08:11 AM   #2
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Seems like a pretty decent flop to c/f imo
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:02 AM   #3
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Should probably just 3 bet pre and lead flop
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:20 AM   #4
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Fold pre not even close.

As played x/f flop not even close.

As played I guess I x/c turn. Got some serious deception value with this specific hand if river is specifically a 7 and he has a 9 we can x/r overbet jam and probably get a curious call. Pretty optimistic though.

As played river I don't see how you can check I guess. Bet bigger if you're gonna bet.
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Old 09-01-2017, 12:08 PM   #5
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5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Fold pre fold flop


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Old 09-05-2017, 04:47 AM   #6
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Did the 8 complete the rainbow? If not, what are suits?

fold > 3bet > call pre. flop is a clear fold. Don't like the turn or river bluffs, you're repping pretty thin (66/A8/half combos of 79) against an uncapped range. But if you're gonna rep that thin, then bet bigger as others said.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:26 AM   #7
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

I agree with fold pre fold flop

In real time I am not folding this hand late night 4 handed like ever but it's definitely a bad, losing play.
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:23 PM   #8
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

River bet looks like you're lighting money on fire.

How can villain call turn c/r and fold river?
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Old 09-05-2017, 09:37 PM   #9
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

It is pretty uncommon to successfully misplay every decision in a hand but you actually pulled it off here. The mistakes are all just kinda bad until the river which is terribad.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:59 AM   #10
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Fold pre it's not even close
3b pre is sooo loose and speewy
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:56 AM   #11
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

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It is pretty uncommon to successfully misplay every decision in a hand but you actually pulled it off here. The mistakes are all just kinda bad until the river which is terribad.
Exactly this.

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Good / bad / meh?
You need to add, "terrible," as an option.

Pre - J9 off is a bad hand even vs. a completely random hand on the button. Especially so vs. a good player (btw "ABC," and "solid tag," are not synonymous with each other so I'm confused). Most of the time you will get flops just like the one you're about to get where you have dog **** oop and have to fold to one bet.

Flop - Ace high rainbow boards are generally the most terrible flops you can get in this situation - you're always 3! strong aces, even TT and 66 a lot of the time. There's very little you can represent if you plan to bluff at some point. In addition you only have 8 outs to an open-ender, and 6 outs to crappy pairs. Fold now.

Turn - Congrats on hitting the best turn card. I guess we can call and maybe throw in a few river bluffs if something like a 9 hits? We can't raise because again, our range is so capped - I guess we have some 97 or 88/66 sometimes but I mean... it's a thin thin spot. I guess since we have both a lag image and a pretty solid image at the same time, a raise here might just work.

River - One of the worst rivers. 97, the one hand you're credibly repping, is no longer the nuts, and villain can have all of the better hands pretty easily + raise you with hands that have blockers as bluffs. You've gotta give up this river.
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:59 AM   #12
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It is pretty uncommon to successfully misplay every decision in a hand but you actually pulled it off here. The mistakes are all just kinda bad until the river which is terribad.
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Old 09-11-2017, 05:44 PM   #13
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

fold pre tooo weak of a hand to play vs a winning reg...I would be 3betting or folding pre with my whole range and doing alot of it especilly vs a very active btn.
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Old 09-12-2017, 03:21 PM   #14
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

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It is pretty uncommon to successfully misplay every decision in a hand but you actually pulled it off here. The mistakes are all just kinda bad until the river which is terribad.
Quite possibly the best post I have ever seen on 2+2.
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:16 PM   #15
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5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Thanks for the replies

I guess I screwed this one up pretty bad :/

Result: Hero gets snap called by V who shows Q,10. 5/10:  let's do some bluffing...

Hero: 5/10:  let's do some bluffing...

But hey, sometimes it helps to hear honest feedback from you guys so I can improve my game , thanks 5/10:  let's do some bluffing...
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:47 PM   #16
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Well at least villain played it pretty bad too.
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:51 PM   #17
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

What should the villain have done differently?
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:18 PM   #18
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

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What should the villain have done differently?
He bets second pair on the flop, then bets turn, calls a checkraise and then calls river chopping with any Tx and losing to all value hands. Other than being results oriented and knowing he was right, which streets do you think he played correctly?
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:37 AM   #19
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

How can it be terrible for Hero to bluff and also terrible for Villain to call with a solid bluff-catcher?
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:10 PM   #20
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How can it be terrible for Hero to bluff and also terrible for Villain to call with a solid bluff-catcher?
Because we are not just talking about the river. We are talking about the entire hand.
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Old 09-14-2017, 01:59 PM   #21
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Yeah I'm really not sure what's going on with this hand. Why flat preflop? Why call flop? Did we just randomly decide to play a big pot this hand?
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:23 PM   #22
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Because we are not just talking about the river. We are talking about the entire hand.
He opened QTo from the button and bet half pot a couple times with what was likely to be the best hand...?
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:40 PM   #23
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

Comb through your database/memory for times we raise preflop, bet flop, bet/call turn, then call river with second pair (to chop) and show profit.
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Old 09-16-2017, 05:25 PM   #24
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Re: 5/10: let's do some bluffing...

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He bets second pair on the flop, then bets turn, calls a checkraise and then calls river chopping with any Tx and losing to all value hands. Other than being results oriented and knowing he was right, which streets do you think he played correctly?
My question was: what should villain have done differently
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Old 09-16-2017, 09:23 PM   #25
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My question was: what should villain have done differently
I saw your question and I know that answering a question with a question is not what you are looking for. I just think you will get more out of it if you put your thoughts out there. How would you play second pair as a default?
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