Effective 1820

Villain is pretty tight in the small sample I've seen but I know he.normally plays 25/50+ in Macau and from what other people have told me he's good

He probably views hero as an avg slightly winning 5/10 reg. No history

Huge whale limps in MP (2k effective), v raises to 50 in HJ, hero makes it 165 OTB with JdJc, MP folds, villain makes it 525, hero calls.

Flop is Th8h3h (1075)

Villain jams for 1300ish, hero?

Thoughts on 5bet jamming or just calling instead of 3bet to keep MP in?

Given his 4 bet sizing (which is huge) I probably lean towards 5 bet shoving a tight range.

I would just fold JJ to such a big 4 bet at this stack depth.

I guess shoving pre is out of the question since his 4b sizing is enormous so we have zero fold equity and it’s always all going in on the flop so might as well keep his bluffs (if any) in

I like a flat pre. If we have history and villain will call light knowing you know he’s iso’ing light maybe it’s fine to get it in here but in general I don’t love the spot to stick in 200bbs pre

Fold the flop, you don't have anywhere near 35%+. Rest is borderline but ok.

Yeah forgot to add this is a fold on flop for me too. Likely our best case scenario is we have to fade all hearts and 6 overs.

story did not need any mention of hole cards once its hhh and U got to h?

Flat pre to keep the whale in. Kinda std imo.

Without the J this is a fold on the flop for me. AK or AQ with a lone heart is around 50% against you not to mention you could be drawing close to dead. You just don't do well against his range here.

Bleh. Kinda spooky for villain to pot/overpot a hand like AhA/KhK and even the non-heart combos tbh, QQ all combos I think he could do this with and obv some AhKx combos... Issue is there simply isn't too many AhKx combos to warrant a call.

In general I'd lean towards folding pre since lolsizing and our hand is just ****balls post vs this range on about every board. Rather call w something like AKs

3 hearts on the board and you haven't got a heart, easy fold.

Even if one of your jacks was a heart it still wouldn't be a very good bet because your opponent might have a higher heart.

Surely you can find better spots to get money in than this.

Preflop is a very standard giggle fold

I know it's become the trend to flat up to like QQ here, but JJ is so hard to navigate vs pretty much every player type that I tend to just make my mind up preflop* when < 200bb, mostly folding unless the villain is capable.

"There are 3 ways to play pocket jacks and they are all wrong."

I think preflop play is determined by a few factors.

Fold: If Villain is value heavy and reluctant to be bluffing.

Call: If Villain has sufficient bluffs and is capable of bluffing the rest of his stack postflop. If opponent is Aggressive postflop this option is great.

All-in: If Villain has sufficient bluffs and will not bluff post flop. Another reason to shove here is if Villain is a bit tilted and willing to get in here very light. If Villain will stack off with AJ+, 99, or even weaker.


In this particular spot I see folding and calling as the best options most of the time. For most people I think this is going to be a fold especially with that 3x sizing which is usually an indicator of KK+ish. Some more adventurous regs like to punish me a lot for being too loose so I find myself calling here a lot. If no overcards come on the flop I'm a lot more happy getting it in. If an ace comes on the flop I'm probably gonna fold.

This seems like a fold to the 4 bet. Only flop you'll really wanna see is one where you hit the set or 8910.

I like the 3b pre and now shove JJ at 1800 eff. The so far tight/probably good player knows this a crystal clear re-iso spot for you. Just because you both lost the whale, doesn't mean your perceived range has changed to where V has only pure linear value to play this way. Without levels and without real info I think a giggle fold is torching money faster than jamming. Also, Huge Whales tend not to limp fold much, and it really is just too good of a situation NOT to re-iso with all kinds of hands and JJ obviously is in the attic of that range.