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Old 07-09-2018, 07:30 AM   #26
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Re: 5/10: AQ facing 3 barrels , call river?

Originally Posted by AKQJ10 View Post
I'm still confused. I understand this to be about a hypothetical: If our opponent could somehow have the A and another non-spade, for top pair and a missed flush draw, he might take a bet-bet-bet line as a bluff. But he can't have the A because we have that, therefore he's less likely to take that line as a bluff.

My confusion is because I would expect most players to see top pair as a showdownable hand that shouldn't be trying to force a relatively narrow range (better top pair, what else?) to fold on the river. In other words, not turn top pair of aces into a bluff. Indeed, Aces1085 said immediately thereafter:

But a hand with the A is at least a one pair hand. So are we saying Villian turns that into a bluff or not?
I think the LAG player type to go either way on river to be honest. I have seen stranger things in these type of games.

If he puts our hero on a hand like AdQs (Non-spade ace/high-spade kicker) after calling his huge turn bet he could take the As/weak kicker line as a bluff. He bet less than half pot on flop and over pot on turn. A high ace in our range could make sense to this player type.

But either way, we can eliminate the As from his range because we hold it and enable us to make this fold.
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:25 PM   #27
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Re: 5/10: AQ facing 3 barrels , call river?

Against a LAG you have to 3bet AQ for value preflop, especially with the dead money of the caller.

Turn call is good

River feels like a fold. I can't see him value betting worse and your range has a lot of stubborn aces that he knows will call a lot.

Shoving the river is interesting in my opinion.
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:50 PM   #28
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Re: 5/10: AQ facing 3 barrels , call river?

Mix in some 3b pre. AP we are set up for a great river shove as this is our worst AsXx we show up with here.

Shove > Fold > Call
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:58 AM   #29
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Re: 5/10: AQ facing 3 barrels , call river?

If villain is a capable and thinking one, I will shove. This is at worst a 0EV play if we got our ranges right. We don’t have to even consider if he can fold flushes since our play will be unexploitable.

If villain is someone who only bet/bet/bet with hands, then I will exploitatively fold. Reads will be important here. This could be a play that maximise our EV

The worst will be to call, especially with the near PSB. AhQs might be even a better hand to call than AsQh due to card removal effect.
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