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Old 07-25-2018, 05:37 PM   #1
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5/10 AA rivered full house line check

5/10 in Vegas

Villain and I have probably been the two most active players at the table in the 2 hours we've played, both of us are opening/3 betting a bunch and winning hands without showdown, we both look young and capable, etc. Table has been somewhat nitty overall, with few big pots thus far.

Effective stacks 3k

V opens MP1 to 30, folds to me in SB and I 3b to 110 with black AA, villain calls.

Flop (230): QQ3xxd
I cbet 130, villain calls

Turn (490): 8d
I bet 240, villain raises to 600, I call

River (1690): Ad

I ?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated as I am pretty sure I butchered flop and turn before luckboxing the river
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:48 PM   #2
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

3bet bigger

cbet smaller - although this deep I don't hate the larger sizing it's just a board we can easily bet 1/3 pot our full range

Turn bet bigger

River check as played
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:07 PM   #3
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

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3bet bigger

cbet smaller - although this deep I don't hate the larger sizing it's just a board we can easily bet 1/3 pot our full range

Turn bet bigger

River check as played
Are we really stoked about betting turn on this board? It's a fairly narrow range of hands we get 3 streets from.

I would bet smaller on the turn and I'm for sure check raising this river. Probably not huge because we do credibly rep a big hand and not a lot of bluffs.
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:05 PM   #4
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

I guess we're less stoked about betting this turn if we bet 1/2 pot otf compared to if we bet 1/3 pot otf but we're still stoked. Having AA is huge on this board because we block AQ which villain will have 100% of unless he's using some to 4bet bluff so we cut his Qx combos way more than if we have JJ or KK. It's not like villain can fold 99-JJ very comfortably and even any pocket pair isn't an easy fold.

I'm sure turn is a mix between bet/check w/ AA (just like flop is probably a mix between bet/check unless we're betting 100% of our range which I do in this spot for simplicity) but when we do bet turn it should be for a bigger sizing but I mean this is all minutia; you could just as easily check range on the turn.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:30 AM   #5
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

You played very well till river.

You should be checking this river with plans to raise his likely river bet.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:40 AM   #6
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

On a second note, the villain played this hand badly at turn.

Villain dont have alot of hands in his plausible range that can raise turn.

Not even with KdQd or AQ. Villain best play would have to be call turn bet and look for opportunity to raise river. By raising turn, he is losing EV of the future street as SB isnt like to pay him off when a brick hits river.

Assuming 2h hits river, Hero correct play will be to check river and fold to a shove.
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Old 07-29-2018, 04:03 AM   #7
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

Jarrett mans advice itt is solid
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Old 07-31-2018, 03:10 AM   #8
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

Smaller flop bet. Given the dynamic I like a turn check (since it sounds like he might get fancy vs you) whereas vs a loose/passive I would just 1/2 pot the turn like you did. River check/shove.
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Old 07-31-2018, 10:51 PM   #9
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

I think the hand was played well, and I would confidently (see:sheeply) bet 300-400 on the river.
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:13 AM   #10
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On a second note, the villain played this hand badly at turn.

Villain dont have alot of hands in his plausible range that can raise turn.

Not even with KdQd or AQ. Villain best play would have to be call turn bet and look for opportunity to raise river. By raising turn, he is losing EV of the future street as SB isnt like to pay him off when a brick hits river.

Assuming 2h hits river, Hero correct play will be to check river and fold to a shove.
So villian should never float flop and raise turn with garbage?
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:49 AM   #11
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So villian should never float flop and raise turn with garbage?
certainly he can. But the question is can he do it profitably?

I doubt so.

On the turn, it is either a way ahead vs way behind scenario. We look at the value hands he can have if he raise, These are mainly Qx, AQ. Not a lot of combos here. And if he happens to have them, he is going to block his opponent from having such value hands. As such, assuming Hero is a competent player, villain can't really have two streets worth of values especially when he raised turn.

On the other hands, if he has garbage hands, he doesnt have blockers to value hands, especially when Hero bet flop and turn. In my opinion, villain will be unbalanced here when he raise turn. It smacks of bluffs/semi bluffs that Hero can call the raise with and evaluate river cards which are unlikely to be too bad for hero (with exception of possible draws completion).
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Old 08-11-2018, 04:23 AM   #12
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

I like check/jam on river.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:05 AM   #13
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:35 AM   #14
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

Wow, seems like a spot to jam with 88, but it may not be bad to check given the ace on the river is a diamond. Is it bad that I would have J T going to this river in your shoes? Is it further bad that I'm probably not folding it?


It is good to note that he believes you will fold KQ there. This could be an indicator that he may overbluff when he makes big plays later on against you. He may put strong hands in his value range that he thinks he's betting when he is really checking (such as 88) and over bluff on scary boards. On this river he is only value betting AQ and QQ.

What do you all think of this 88 check on river. Is this good or bad?
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Old 08-16-2018, 03:59 AM   #15
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Ya whatever who cares. Huge mistake to check back 88 and he got lucky
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Old 08-16-2018, 11:15 PM   #16
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

May be you are giving off hand strength tells
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:04 AM   #17
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May be you are giving off hand strength tells
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Yeah prob this to be honest, maybe my image isn't what I thought it was either.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:07 PM   #18
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

I generally bet flop, check turn and then bet river in this spot. I bet flop because I'm betting it with 100% of my range, and I check turn to balance as I sometimes will check some A high without completely giving up on the hand, and then bet river with my value hands and occasionally with some bluffs. In case anyone is wondering, I've watched a fair amount of Doug Polk over the last year lol.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:26 AM   #19
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Re: 5/10 AA rivered full house line check

So he raised 88 on the turn expecting to knock out 100% of your bluffs and expecting you to fold KK/AA, where he could clearly get another street of value from them by calling.

He then checked back thinking you would fold the river if you have KQ I assume?

Don't get his logic. Think you were right to go for river CR as played up until that point.
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