Villain - $2000 - This guy is playing every hand. He gets stacked for this first $500 and rebuys and starts hitting the deck. Also bluffing at the right time. He started out limp calling a lot of hands - and just calling people down with random trash - but now he is starting to limp 3bet his better holdings - KQ+ and TT+. Probably self aware that his image is dog **** and trying to incorrectly play back at people.

Hero - $1300 - In for $1300 and Card dead and have not won 1 hand at showdown. Am able to stay alive by 3betting pre - and betting flop as this game is the GOAT!!!! I don't think i've actually hit a pair let alone a draw. I did have AA pre and got someone to 4bet into me for $250 but I didn't win a dime more than the $250. Very unfortunate to be so card dead in a game so loose.

Villain 2 $1000 - This guy plays 5/10 a lot so no idea what he's doing at this game. Downswinging??? He opened about 3 hands so I am a little leary on how good his holdings could be.


2/5
Villain 1 limps UTG+1
Villain 2 $25 High jack
Hero KQ Calls Cut off
Folds to villain 1 who 3bets $75
Villain 2 calls
Hero calls

$232
653

Villain 1 leads $100
Villain 2 folds
Hero tanks and goes $250

Thoughts?

Obvious 3bet pre

As played meh. Maybe it's worth a shot against this guy?

flatting the first time without 3betting is what it is but flatting to an UTG+1 l/rr is worse.

what was the worst hand you've seen him l/rr?

You said he's playing back at people so do you think he's folding anything for a 1.5x raise otf

I don’t like it. You mentioned that V has recently been limp/3b KQ+, TT+. The last time I checked, KQ didn’t fare very well against that range. Fold pre to the 3b.

I also don’t like the flop raise as you mentioned he had been calling down with trash hands recently so he could call you down light. If he does have TT+, which you mentioned is part of his limp/3b range, then I doubt he’s folding to such a small flop raise.

Fold pre
Fold pre again

Exploitatively raising flop would be good if you had fold equity - something tells me you don't.

Calling the first $25 is fine, you are deep enough to see a flop. Fold to the 3bet. If V1 is limp/raising the better end of his range you don't want to be in the hand with KQo. You will be dominated by V1 or V2 far too often.

Flop is garbage and there is a decent chance that V1 is c-betting air but what are you representing when you raise this flop? TT-88 are about the only credible hands. If V1 will c-bet too often and give up to a raise then it might be OK but it seems excessively risky in a 3 bet pot where V1 is limited to the better end of his range.

As played, I don’t believe u have as much FE as u think based on the V pre 3-b range. 3-way post, he may continue with AQ+, though this is very optimistic. Doubtful he continues with KQ, while combos of TT+ will.

Pre – I’m ok with the first call, but I usually fold this hand, read dependent. Based on the range u gave for the 3-bettor, ez fold to the 3b.

+1

For those saying I don't rep any thing - I played my hand like a medium strength hand like 44+ and 78s+

He only has high cards in his range and high pocket pairs.

Also his bet size of $100 is super weak - A player like this is not betting only $100 with QQ+

IMO he has A high at best here. More than likely my K high is probably good though.

His limp reraise sizes were always different. Sometimes they were $150 - sometimes they were $120 - this time it was only $75??

He didn't show all of them, but he was running over the table, and hitting hands when he was called. He wasn't limp reraising total garbage - he would just limp call his total garbage.

One time he limp called Q2 and flopped a flush draw with pair of 2 and went absolutely nuts. He gets there of course and that's why I was able to see his hand. I made it $45 pre and he limp called with Q2

What did you make it $45 with? What was the board and the action on that hand I'm curious.

I'm not sure what part of the hand makes no sense. People limp reraise with the nuts all the time

AQo in the SB - 5 limpers and I go $45. He calls with Q2

T82 I check - He just bombs it for $75 and someone calls

How is K-high probably good? You have the bottom of his limp-reraise range. If you've got some physical tell that he's got total air then go for it, I guess, but if villain is as sticky as you say he's probably still calling a raise with big cards.

What's your plan for the turn if he calls the $250? If he raises are you calling with your probably good K-high?

I agree the flop sizing is kind of weak but it sounds like this guy is pretty unconventional in his sizing so it's hard to read too much into it. Maybe he doesn't want to shake others out and he's chilling with AA or KK.

pray for a 4 or a 7 so that you can shove the turn and get a fold.

if he really does have an overpair, you are not going to get a fold.

well this is enough of a reason to snap fold to the l/rr

I wouldn't fold pre the first time unless he was a total nit. idk what "he opened about 3 hands" means. If you think he's tight, it's fine to fold but if he's raising normal hands out of the hijack like two broadways, sc's and suited aces, I would 3bet pre.

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I can see the BBV future.

What tf are you doing? Fold flop.

Preflop is a real good. It's a 100% call the first time in the CO with these dynamics. Whale limp, 5T reg ISO wide, flat the 5T reg and keep in the whale. Naturally calling the 3b closing action IP as well.
I don't know if this was the reason why you called the 25, but as you can see upthread, good players are still tunnel-thinking this spot and 3b/folding - that's a big mistake here.

Since you're this deep, if you do think villain has a lot of air in his range, raise on the flop is whatever- but you should probably be a little deeper... Villain doesn't have many hands to 3bet you with (but some are the type to jam over you with TT or whatever - be wary of that type). And any 2, 4, 6, or 7, possibly 5 is going to look bad to V. That's 18 cards. And another 6 that give you top pair.... So if V calls, you can bet the low scare cards like 375 and put a ton of pressure on V with effective stack sizes.... I wouldn't recommend doing this often, and especially not against someone who is "incorrectly playing back" at people, but it feels to me like this can be +EV sometimes.

My plan on turn was to bet any QKA742 and probably check any JT98.

Results

again, results aside, i dont get why your title is "3bet pot makes no sense." people limp/re-raise from EP with JJ-AA all the time.

the fact that you think he limp/calls with weak hands rather than limp/rr just decreases bluffing frequency with limp/rr.

People generally don't 3x it OOP against two callers with JJ-AA... And then they generally don't lead less than half pot after doing so with those hands either... Op had a read, went with it, kudos to him for being right.

Congrats on catching him at the very bottom of his range. You run better than I do.

exactly - if he goes $120 pre - i fold

If he goes $175 on flop - I fold

His line makes absolutely no sense what so ever.