Hero: V tight in session
EP: V loose, passive weak rec
MP: V loose rec, VPIP 80%, with random pf and postflop over aggression. Had ran up 700 to 5k quickly, did make 4K bluff in 4w 3b pot when checked to on Ahi board.

I rz utg+1 with AKto 40(2.7k), EP call (5k), MP sq to 160(5k), I 4b to 525, EP fold and MP quickly call.

23:5

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Flop line/size/plan?
Pf thoughts welcome also. Cheers

May bet like 33% pot on flop and give up if calledor just check fold and be super careful when mucking my cards

Not gonna try to triple a crazy rec player off an overpair or bluffcatch him down. May bet flop small to see if he will fold out his AK AQ type stuff but sounds like he is not the type to lay it down easy.

this is a textbook "take -ev, easy line and wait for the fish to hand over his stack drawing dead next orbit" spot imo

I like the 33% or so cbet and give up if raised, check fold turn unimproved, if called on the flop, approach against this type of V. There will be other chances to bust him. Could have just said +1 to Disco's post

I would personally check and not fold vs described villain

Yeah I ch to ch jam actually as I felt his Pf range was wide and that he would stab a lot of his air, Ax and likely bet call off his Ax. If he bet calls pairs our equity is still okay.

However he ch behind and I was not sure what to do on a Jd turn?

check again imo and probably not folding to a single bet... I'm not sure I'm folding to two bets either. It's a situation where the villain's checking behind range is much stronger than his betting range.

If he checks the turn and then bets a relatively blank river I hate life.

Do you check flop as a standard Imaginary friend?

I bet 1/3 folded a 233 flop last weekend vs a good reg and felt like i did something wrong. I always get weirded out in spots where i feel like its a clear bet with an op but burning money with AK (as people over station and overspazz on dry low flops in 3b pots ime)

I would mix it up. X/C a part of my hands and c-bet a part small so they can continue to spazz out, obviously x/f most of the hands that can not take any kind of heat. Probably exploit a bit. It's funny because the shove doesn't rep much, but hands like gutshot+A high seems like a must raise every time

At certain point AK becomes a b/c.

This particular hand against a reg this deep I really don't know, I play a lot online so this doesn't come up. A lot of regs wouldn't have 5-bet range here and a relatively tight 4-bet flat range given the positions so I might not c-bet. On the other hand, I might not 4-bet many AK's here so trying to get rid of a split/weak overpair somehow might be worth it and being OOP sucks.

You're a good player so prob not telling you anything you don't already know but this resonated with me a bit and felt compelled to reply

I agree it's tough when you have a flop that you would bet 100% of the time with AA but feel like you're never taking down with AK. For me it's become highly dependent on board texture, suits, etc when deciding which AK I'll bet and which AK I'll check/call or check/fold. Also whether or not me hitting my A or K is likely to result in me getting value or not or value owned myself. Sort of like when you have 44 on a 9T2dd flop. Maybe you continue if you have the 4d and fold if you don't, it's splitting hairs.

I know this is all coming out ******edly and microstakes-esque but it makes sense in my head lol. I'm actually pooping at work and bored

At certain point AK becomes a b/c. 233, opponent has what, 6 combos of fh, 2 combos of trips and 12 combos of A5/A4/45. B/c seems fine.

That's not ******ed, often when solving the tight spots of the range the difference between calling and folding is bdfd. Sure the difference is typically like a dollar or two max.

Vs a good player sure

But vs a rec who thinks 99 is the nuts (and will assume you have AK when the K hits and fold) is it a bet? I think it's an exploitable fold.

I think the villain here falls into the latter category. Maybe he's a bit looser and more likely to bluff but I'm just not inclined for my big spot of night vs the fish to be when I have A high

I wouldn't c-bet against a rec AK here and I don't think it's close.

Lol lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Yea, at first i wish i checked but then thinking back on the hand im like wtf could he possibly have? And thought it was more of a bet/call. Hes a great player, prob top 3 winner in my area, and usually not stupid. I thought that even though a raise made no sense he'd know that I'd know that...so i thought a fold is not what he wanted...but that was possibly over leveling and he was just owning me with A5 or whatever.

I have seen alot of "good" players doing this with like 88 in 2017, no idea what thats about.



And this is why you should never go pro kids. You can literally get paid to sh*t and post on the internet. Why would you ever do anything else?

x/r

Pre is good
Flop you wanna bet your whole 4b range for a small size 1/4-1/3 here. This board is rly good for the 4bettor and ur range pwns his right now and checking turns u pretty face up and it's 2 hard to balance a x range
You could pretty easily b/b/jam and make money
Bet small/ x and try and showdown works as well
You probably want to do some of both
Especially cuz you need to have some bluffs when u b/b/jam and ak for some % works well

Does villain's overaggressive play include excessive 3betting regardless of position dynamics? If not, then I probably just call the 3bet pre-flop given the positions.

As played, I like check/call the flop, especially against this villain as he is described (perhaps depending on the size of his bet). If you bet, he's not going to fold a pair. If he somehow has like 77 or 88, then maybe you could get him to fold with multiple barrels depending on how the board runs out. But it seems like he'll probably bluff here too much, so I'd rather go bluff catching with some equity with a gutshot and the chance to hit a pair of A's or K's. If he barrels 3 streets and we don't improve, then that kinda sucks.

Wizard

In a live game I bet here after 4b pre

[QUOTE=Lego05;52937488]Does villain's overaggressive play include excessive 3betting regardless of position dynamics? If not, then I probably just call the 3bet pre-flop given the positions.

Yes he had been v active 3b 55, 99 from mp vs ep, calling a 4b ip with 99(150bb eff) and doubling up. I think he can 3b AQos+, KQs+, 99+ and also have some random Axs, mid/low pp, sc semi bluffs. I also think he flat my ~3x 4b ip with a large percentage of this range.

So I ch flop, he ch back. Turn J. I ch, he bet 900...