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Originally Posted by solidmussel
Curious on the point you made about T9 being where we should start from a value standpoint.
Wouldn't hands like QQ or KK make sense for value, given they also have pretty good equity against flopped straights?
May be semantics, but I would think we can go for value with sets.
what Pixie said, additionally let's say that we do have QQ, or JJ here. our issue is that we just aren't getting called by many worse hands, and more importantly when they are worse they rate to have very few outs. QQ is going to block most 2 pair combos and unblock AT9, while T9 unblocks all 2pair and set combos. which do have relatively significant outs, and which rate to be top level bluff catchers.
I'm sure that if we hit PIO that QQ and JJ would mix raises here but I would imagine it's much lower % (i.e. 25-50% possibly) than a lot of players would think. all I'm really saying is that I think it's a pretty common misconception that these should be fist pump, gii type hands (JJ in particular or in hero's case, KQ) on this board.
*** so just ran this in PIO
I used a 10.5% opening range for Vil and capped 7% calling range for Hero
PIO recommends that HU vil bets 5% of opens oop at this sizing, which actually leads to Hero only raising ATs and T9s combos and surprisingly infrequently (<10% mix otf)
I think this has a lot to do with the relatively low flop SPR. It does look like KQ & QQ are raised at a relatively high frequency ott once we flat flop.
I have to go back to what MuffinMan said up above though. All of this revolves around Vil taking a gto/solver type line on this flop and turn, which almost certainly will not be the case on this board at this stake due to the fact that a gto line here oop requires much more aggression than most people are willing to take, i.e. taking a 'gto' line against vil is probably burning money in this case. With that said I generally stand by my arguments from above that we shouldn't be venturing very far into sub T9 hands in terms of flop raises. I'm sure with a little node locking this could be proven, however I'm taking the easy way out and just going with above for now, would be happy to talk further if anyone's up for it
Last edited by sungar78; 05-07-2018 at 08:11 PM.